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Tim Blair: The awful truth? It's a crock (Bowling for Columbine)
The Australian ^
| Dec 30, 2002
| Tim Blair
Posted on 12/29/2002 5:19:30 PM PST by beckett
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posted on
12/29/2002 5:19:30 PM PST
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beckett
To: beckett
To: beckett
Who is Mikey Moore, and why does he look like a cross of my late grandmother, the pillsbury dough-boy and Jabba-the-Hut with a stupid baseball hat on?
FMCDH
To: beckett
Moore theorises that the Columbine killers were inclined towards murder because their town is home to a Lockheed-Martin weapon-making facility. The plant in question actually builds devices that launch TV satellites.Missle. Launch vehicle. What's the difference :)?
To: cruiserman
"devices that launch TV satellites" In the old days, they called those very same, identical "devices" Titan and Atlas missiles. I don't know if they've changed the name, now that they're attaching TV satellites to them, but if you did a nose count of all the Titan and Atlas-derived "devices" that are still in existence, today, most of them still have a nuke attached, inside the tapered part on top.
I haven't seen the movie and have no plans to, but this guy is spinning the same kind of "kiddie fable" he accuses Moore of... As if the difference in American and Canadian body counts is rendered moot by one nutjob in Montreal. Give me a friggin' break.
I'm not particularly pro- or anti- gun or NRA, but I have strong doubts about any real progress being made in reducing violent crime, as long as the focus of public debate is centered on the 2nd Amendment issues, and not on the actual people pulling all those actual triggers.
To: MoJoWork_n
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and not on the actual people pulling all those actual triggers.At one time, since the dems wanted more gun control and the government was ignoring drug dealers and other riff raff that were openly using guns, the NRA thought it would be wise to demand the government stop passing gun control and start enforcing the laws on the books. For a single mili-second, it was a brilliant PR move. That is until the government continued to ignore street gangs and started to jail anyone with a restraining order and a gun. Now, anyone who gets a divorce, loses their gun collection. It was the opening the anti-gun crowd needed. They get to jail people who never broke a law before and gunowners who would never join the NRA anyway have an excuse not to.
To: beckett
Good to see some writer take issue with the leftist mindthink that says "everyone must see this movie".
There are some critics who claim that this film should get "Best Picture" at the Oscars. While I hardly agree with the sentiment, I must say that it is more worthy of "Best Picture" than "Best Documentary" as it is a work of fiction.
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posted on
12/29/2002 8:28:47 PM PST
by
weegee
To: MoJoWork_n
No, Moore's whole point is that the factory was producing weapons, which led the children to think violent thoughts. I saw Bowling for Columbine, and what Tim Blair is saying is right.
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posted on
12/29/2002 8:31:45 PM PST
by
xm177e2
To: MoJoWork_n
but if you did a nose count of all the Titan and Atlas-derived "devices" that are still in existence, today, You would find that none of them are in service as nuclear weapons delivery devices. The Atlas and Titan are both liquid fueled rockets; USAF,for very good reasons, withdrew all liquid fueled rockets from service years ago. Atlas was withdrawn from ICBM service in 1965. The Titan ICBM force was deactivated in 1987.
You're welcome.
To: MoJoWork_n
but if you did a nose count of all the Titan and Atlas-derived "devices" that are still in existence, today, most of them still have a nuke attached, inside the tapered part on top. I very much doubt that. Atlas and Titan are very old technology, and I believe (though am not absolutely certain) that those missles were phased out of the arsenal long ago. Being fueled by liquid propellants (usually involving liquid oxygen), they were much harder to keep on standby than solid fueled launch vehicles.
To: GSHastings
Heh Heh. Sick minds think alike. You're right. Almost. If I'm remembering right, the early Atlas missiles used LOX/Kerosene, which is not storable. They were stored horizontally and were to be erected and fueled immediately prior to launch. The final version of Atlas ("F", I think), as well as all of the Titan models used some variation on Nitrogen Tetroxide/Hydrazine, which is storable. It's also really nasty; corrosive and poisonous. These missiles were stored vertically in hardened silos. The current Titan launch vehicles use Nitrogen Tetroxide/Hydraxine. I'm not sure about the Atlas. Except that the Atlas III uses
Russian engines.
All current US ballistic missiles (both ICBM and SLBM) are, of course, solid fueled.
To: hole_n_one; glock rocks
Go to hell, MikeyBump!
big Bump and PING!
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posted on
12/29/2002 9:02:26 PM PST
by
Madcelt
To: *bang_list
What, nobody's bang_listed this gem yet?
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posted on
12/29/2002 9:03:33 PM PST
by
Skibane
To: beckett
>>Moore theorises that the Columbine killers were inclined towards murder because their town is home to a Lockheed-Martin weapon-making facility.<<
OH NO ! I work in a weapon-making facility !! I've work there for over 20 years !! I need to calm down. I might be inclined to _________________ !!
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posted on
12/29/2002 9:10:49 PM PST
by
Missouri
To: beckett
Is it me, or does Moore exemplify the Ugly American he so loves to go after? Fat, rich, crude...etc.
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posted on
12/29/2002 9:13:11 PM PST
by
Hildy
To: beckett
I actually thought Bowling for Columbine (which I did not see) makes a very good point (even if Moore has to stretch the truth to make it). As Mike tells it, these kids preferred to bowl over being just passable members of society! How far have we slipped when bowling is the highlight of a kids life? Especially in a world of Nintendo, DVDs, Napster, the internet, virtually free sex, etc. when every whim can be met easily. All these kids wanted was some attention and a little order in their sad lives. Yea, it was gun. Riiiight.
The libs have some explaining to do regarding how bad they have fouled up our schools.
To: Hildy
Fat, rich, crude
He's rich? :)
To: Hildy
Is it me, or does Moore exemplify the Ugly American he so loves to go after? Fat, rich, crude...etc. It's why the global market loves him so (France, Australia, England, Canada, etc...).
It puts a familiar face on the stereotype and he uses his boorishness to confront American industry and conservative politics.
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posted on
12/29/2002 9:34:00 PM PST
by
weegee
To: Hildy
Michael Moore, Stupid White Man.
To: Hildy
Is it me or if Michael Moore saw a penis he'd jump?
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