Can you explain to me how homosexuality is in harmony with the way material reality is obiously structured and how it, when contrasted aginst this paradign, is not pathological? 
Posted on 12/29/2002 8:59:44 AM PST by scripter
Can you explain to me how homosexuality is in harmony with the way material reality is obiously structured and how it, when contrasted aginst this paradign, is not pathological?
BURGER, C.J., Concurring Opinion
As the Court notes, ante at 192 , the proscriptions against sodomy have very "ancient roots." Decisions of individuals relating to homosexual conduct have been subject to state intervention throughout the history of Western civilization. Condemnation of those practices is firmly rooted in Judeo-Christian moral and ethical standards. Homosexual sodomy was a capital crime under Roman law. See Code Theod. 9.7.6; Code Just. 9.9.31. See also D. Bailey, Homosexuality [p*197] and the Western Christian Tradition 70-81 (1975). During the English Reformation, when powers of the ecclesiastical courts were transferred to the King's Courts, the first English statute criminalizing sodomy was passed. 25 Hen. VIII, ch. 6. Blackstone described "the infamous crime against nature" as an offense of "deeper malignity" than rape, a heinous act "the very mention of which is a disgrace to human nature," and "a crime not fit to be named." 4 W. Blackstone, Commentaries *215. The common law of England, including its prohibition of sodomy, became the received law of Georgia and the other Colonies. In 1816, the Georgia Legislature passed the statute at issue here, and that statute has been continuously in force in one form or another since that time. To hold that the act of homosexual sodomy is somehow protected as a fundamental right would be to cast aside millennia of moral teaching.
This is essentially not a question of personal "preferences," but rather of the legislative authority of the State. I find nothing in the Constitution depriving a State of the power to enact the statute challenged here.
Excellent point! You are a genius private Gump. It is one of many compelling Data that proves homosexuality is a chosen behavior and therefor curable. Surely you’re not stupid enough to suggest that heterosexuality is a pathology are you?
However, from what I understand, there are straight couples who engage in that behavior too …
Whopps, now we’ve fallen back to comparing a man/woman relationship to a pathology, perhaps you are stupid enough to think heterosexuality is a “disorder.”
At any rate, as I said in a previous post, I think that pheremones may have something to do with why certain people are attracted to certain people; of course that doesn't matter when dealing with people with crummy personalities though, sooooo....who knows. As far as men in prison having sex with each other - I've heard that penises can have 'a mind of their own' sometimes - having affairs, picking up prostitutes, picking up the ugliest girl at the bar....so, the prison thing really doesn't surprise me at all. It could even make a gay guy be with a woman - who knows.
I really hope you don't agree with that.
No, I don't expect you to prove a negative. The presumption is, after millenia of humans living together in groups, I might add, that homosexuality is wrong, bad and an antithesis to material reality. You are trying to overcome that presumption when the evidence to support that presumption is in everybody's face every minute of every day.
The extraordinary claim is that homosexuality is consistant and harmonous with material reality as it applies to creatures, and equivalent to heterosexuality, which is the paradign of that material reality.
The burden is on you.
Don't be shy...we're amongst friends here!!
SR
First, men having sex with men are practicing anal intercourse, or sodomy. The anus and rectum are not suited to receive the penis. The anus functions to control emission of gases and expulsion of feces from the intestine. The ring of muscles called the anal sphincter serves as a valve, meant to direct one-way expulsion. The excretory system carries waste, putrefying matter, and live disease captured and expelled by the body¹s defenses. These organs are designed wondrously for expulsion, not penetration. When penetrated by the penis, the anus and rectum reflexively contract. But neither of these organs secrete any lubrication, as does the female vagina. Anal intercourse results in minute tears and lesions deep in these delicate interior tissues, causing bleeding and giving disease germs and virus return access to the man¹s bloodstream.
Sodomy has been illegal for generations. But in 1976, then-governor of California Jerry Brown struck down the anti-sodomy laws which had prohibited gay sex.
In 1986, on the federal level, the Supreme Court, in Bowers vs. Hardwick ruled there is no constitutional right to engage in sodomy, even though allowable as a personal choice. The Court at that time effectively declined to give a protected status to that behavior.
Medical records show that gays have HIV/AIDS and STDs disproportionately higher than the rest of the population. Reported among ³MSM,² men having sex with men, are 82.2 percent of California¹s AIDS cases cumulative 1981-¹95. This includes 8.4 percent gays who were also intravenous drug users (Health Profile ¹96, Department of Health Services, Sonoma County, 85). In 1997 MSM represented the largest proportion (60 percent) of men diagnosed nationally with AIDS (AIDS Prevention Fact Sheet, 1997-1998, Centers for Disease Control). Representing less than five percent of the total national population, homosexuals have been infected with 50 percent of the nation¹s syphilis cases (Atlantic Monthly, J ¹88). This high-risk group carries over half the nation¹s cases of intestinal infections and gonorrhea of the throat. (Kassler, Gay Men¹s Health, 38). A majority, even 90 percent of men having sex with men demonstrate chronic or recurrent viral infections with herpes, hepatitis, and genital warts (Ostrow et al, Diseases in Homosexual Men).
In the first decade after the legalization of sodomy, the San Francisco venereal disease rate increased to 22 times the national average. Over a ten-year period, the annual rate of hepatitis A increased 100 percent; hepatitis B increased 300 percent; amoebic colon infections increased 2500 percent. Each year of that ten-year period, the city¹s venereal disease clinics received 75,000 patients; nearly 80 percent were gay males. Twenty percent of these carried rectal gonorrhea. (San Jose Mercury News, Apr 24, 1980), (San Francisco Chronicle/ Examiner, Apr 23,¹79).
Furthermore, homosexual monogamy, particularly among males, is myth. One survey reported to the American Public Health Association that in a lifetime a typical gay may have 49 sexual partners and that 8 percent-12 percent have more than 500 partners in their lifetimes. (McKusick, ³AIDS and Sexual Behavior Reported by Gay Men in San Francisco,² American Journal of Public Health, May ¹85).
Early in the AIDS epidemic, investigative research conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control of Atlanta found the typical homosexual had over 500 different partners. In that same study group, that portion who were diagnosed HIV positive averaged 1100 different sexual partners (reported in Psychology Today, Jan ¹84, 56). An April ¹94 article in gay-oriented magazine Genre concluded that relationships between gays who live with partners are possible because the partners have ³outside affairs.² Psychologist Guy Baldwin, whose practice is largely a gay clientele, says in the Genre article, ³With all the talk about legalizing marriage for gays, there¹s an assumption in the minds of most (gay) people that I talk to that only rarely does that legalization include monogamy.²(34)
Destructive to personal physical health, the high-risk lifestyle is also destructive to social stability. That children learn by example, by imitation, is a well-known fact of child development. It is therefore not in a child¹s best interest to be raised by same-sex couples, who would model a high-risk, disease-prone lifestyle. Such an upbringing would deprive the child of best opportunities to develop male or female identities. Gay men and women may have wonderful personalities and talents to share, but these are best shared as aunts and uncles, not parents. They may make great contributions to society, but raising children best not be one of them. There need not be stigma in acceptance of this simple limitation.
Disease prevention seems an adequate reason that society should deny endorsement of ³sexual orientation² as a protected status. Is the spread of disease a civil right? It is clear anti-sodomy laws were based on wisdom, not prejudice.
Anatomy alone speaks simply, yet eloquently against homosexual expression. The Potter who shaped the Clay and called it good wondrously designed two to become one flesh. The Master Designer also gave prescriptions against homosexuality and sodomy. In His omniscience could He have known what we are learning the hard way? Men having sex with men spawn disease. Women having sex with women cannot become one flesh. Neither gay men nor gay women may produce the fruit of one-fleshness or share in the miracle of procreating life. Those unions are unhealthy, unsound, and unnatural. While society can respect and encourage the bonding and affection that may occur between two of the same sex, these relationships do not warrant sexual expression, let alone constitutional designation as an inalienable civil right.
Oral-genital sex:
It is probably true that mouth-to-genital sex is relatively benign biologically -- particularly when compared to oral-anal or anal sex (i.e., mouth-to-anus or penis-in-anus). After all, the mouth is designed to handle all kinds of food and it possesses numerous protective factors in the saliva. Once swallowed and beyond the esophagus, ingested material is subject to the strong processing fluids of the stomach and intestines. As such, the use of the mouth for sexual stimulation is probably fairly ‘safe.’ However, if the sex organ has an infection, or has recently been in contact with infectious germs (e.g., from the rectum), oral infections of sexually transmitted diseases can and do occur.
The owner of the sex organ being fellated may also be at risk. If their partner’s mouth contains pathogens, the sex organ is relatively unprotected against assaults by salivary-borne germs. Unlike the mouth, the penis has few protective defenses. So a person with infectious organisms in his mouth can infect a sex organ.
Not only is this possible, it occurs with regularity when homosexual group sex is involved. For example, earlier this year, four men were arrested one night for having "group sex" on a trail in Omaha, Nebraska.1 Under dim lighting, men who have sex with men [MSM] took all kinds of biological risks to enjoy the psychological ‘thrill’ of having an orgy in a public place, knowing such conduct was against the law.
As clearly, the many MSM who have sex with unknown men in restrooms and rest areas run the same kinds of biological risks. In one of the few random samples of men who call themselves homosexuals, 66% said that they had had sex in public restrooms and 88% said that they had engaged in orgies.2 Oral-anal sex:
Unlike mouth-to-genital sex, mouth-to-anus activities cannot possibly be considered medically benign. There is simply no way to ‘safely’ lick or insert the tongue into the anus without ingesting biologically significant amounts of fecal material. Not only do a host of viruses (e.g., Hepatitis A), bacteria, and other infectious organisms (e.g., Giardiasis, amebiasis) reside in feces, but various forms of hepatitis, herpes and many of the same organisms that cause food poisoning are transmitted through its ingestion.3
Separating feces from the food chain and living areas via modern sanitation has arguably been the single most important contribution of modern public health. Avoiding the ingestion of fecal material in either food or in sex practices is healthy; any oral exposure to feces is unhealthy. This is precisely what much of modern ‘sanitation’ is about.
To re-introduce intimate exposure to feces in the name of "sexually expressive behavior" -- "critical to forging healthy relationships" -- is biological insanity. Ingesting feces is far removed from anything that could rightfully be called "healthy."
Indeed, in 1981, at the beginning of the AIDS epidemic, Dr. M Heller, Director of the Division of Emergency Medicine at the University of California’s Moffitt Hospital, San Francisco, observed4 that "the large number of patients, virtually all male and all gay, with these diseases [various enteric infections collectively called ‘gay bowel syndrome’] is indeed a new phenomenon" which he noted was associated with "the emergence of a well-defined ‘gay scene,’ including gay bars, restaurants, movies, clubs, indeed whole neighborhoods catering openly to the gay lifestyle."
The recipient of oral-anal sex is not immune to infection either. Unlike the mouth, the anus is designed to eliminate waste, not to process and incorporate semen, saliva, etc. So it has few protective devices. The mouth can and does transmit sexual infections to the anus. Ultimately, for either the ‘doer’ or the one to whom oral-anal sex is done, the claim that "engaging in... anal sex does not result in... physical dysfunction" is absolutely false. Penile-anal sex:
Placing a penis in the anus is also fraught with medical risks. For the recipient, there is good evidence to suggest that the rectum and anus are negatively affected over the long term by the insertion and movements of the penis during sexual activity. Men who are the recipients of penile-anal sex are many times more apt to develop anal or rectal cancer and to lose sphincter tonus, perhaps up to 20 times the national average.5 Those who put their penis in others’ rectal cavities are also more apt to get urinary infections. After all, the penis is bathed in feces or surrounded by fecal residue during the process.
The bottom line is that the rectum was not designed for sexual activity. Indeed, because of its one-cell-wall thickness and rich supply of blood vessels, the rectum is almost ‘perfectly suited for infection.’ This is undoubtedly the reason that the vast majority of MSM who have gotten infected with HIV practiced penile-anal sex.
While only a smattering of evidence suggests that the ‘insertor’ of the penis has contracted HIV from anal sex, there is overwhelming evidence that the rectal ‘insertees’ got their HIV from penile-anal sex. Indeed, the practice of penile-anal sex is associated with well over 95% of all HIV infections among MSM.
There is also fair evidence that a disproportionate degree of HIV infection among women is due to penile-anal as opposed to penile-vaginal sex.6 The same is true of hepatitis B, syphilis, and all the other blood-borne pathogens. In short, the natural functions of the rectum (e.g., efficient absorption of water and other nutrients from the fecal mass) act to make it unsuitable for penile intromission.
Furthermore, there is good evidence that depositions of semen in the rectum are deleterious, per se, to the functioning of the immune system. This was first demonstrated in rabbits and has been confirmed in both male and female prostitutes.7 Oral & Anal Sex: Not Benign
Analysis of the obituaries of over 9,000 gay men suggests that they are unusually subject to cancer of the mouth, pharynx, stomach, and esophagus, all of which may be related to typical sexual practices among MSM of ingesting semen, urine or feces.8 Indeed, while the constellations of morbidities differ between the groups (with men who have sex with men [MSM] exhibiting higher rates of infectious diseases than heavy drinkers or illicit, but non-shooting/non-IV drug users), the lifespans of MSM are similar to the lifespans of very heavy drinkers or heavy consumers of illicit drugs, but not as short as regular IV drug abusers.
The evidence on women who have sex with women [WSW] is less certain, but it appears that their lifespan may be only a few years longer on average than the lifespan of MSM. Activities do not have to be injurious every time to be medically dangerous
Certainly, while not every penile-anal or oral-anal sex act is likely to be deleterious, one’s penis need not ‘fall off’ or one’s rectum ‘explode’ for there to be physical dysfunction.
Although adults who regularly engage in homosexuality probably make up less than 3% of the adult population,10 investigators who have conducted random surveys have reported that homosexuals generate between 15%11 and 12%12 of all sexually transmitted diseases (STDs). These very oral and anal sexual activities and the diseases with which they are associated led to the banning of all blood from MSM at U.S. blood banks in 1985 -- a ban that has spread and is currently maintained throughout the civilized world. Also, in 1996 the U.S. Centers for Disease Control considered both male and female homosexuality as independent "risk factors" for HIV infection in its first national sexuality survey.13
The New American - A Question of Morality - June 8, 1998 Dr. Edward R. Annis, a distinguished medical doctor and a past president of the American Medical Association, writes in his book Code Blue: Health Care in Crisis (1993) that, "The anus and rectum are not sexual organs; they are the drainpipe of the body’s sewer. Anyone foolish enough to play in a sewer can expect unhealthy consequences."
And, as one would expect, extreme unhealthiness is exactly the consequence of the homosexual mode of life. Consider, for example, findings Dr. Cameron published in his book, The Gay Nineties (1993), that 73 percent of the male population as a whole lives to age 65, while a mere nine percent of male homosexuals live to that age. To put it another way, the average life span in America is approximately 75, yet for a homosexual with AIDS it is only 39, and for one without AIDS, it is 42 years.
Homosexuality was officially classified as a form of mental sickness by psychologists and psychiatrists for over a century. In December 1973, however, the American Psychiatric Association, under intense pressure from homosexual radicals, reclassified it so that it was no longer regarded as a disorder. Since no new research justified such a decision, it is clear that the change was essentially a political move motivated by political considerations. Dr. Melvin Anchell, in the March 17, 1986 issue of The New American, commented that the APA decision was "in total contradiction to psychoanalytic precepts that have been repeatedly substantiated by clinicians for the past 100 years." Moreover, Dr. Anchell goes on to note, "It is a psychological fact — ‘when the normal life-sustaining sexual instincts are perverted, the death instincts take over.’" So it is that homosexuals lead highly unstable, violent lives that often result in early deaths.
a) "Natural" is not determined by what you want sexually, but by how you function sexually.
1. The body was built to function a specific way.
2. Men were not built to function sexually with men.
b) Natural desires go with natural functions. The passion that exchanges the natural function of sex for the unnatural function is what Paul calls a degrading passion.
c) Jesus clarified the natural, normal relationship:
1. Matthew 19:4-5 "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female and said 'For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother and shall cleave to his wife and the two shall become one flesh [sexual intercourse].'?"
2. The desire is unnatural because it abandons the natural function.
a. Extramarital heterosexual sex is wrong because it exploits a natural function in an immoral way.
b. Homosexuality is worse because it's an immoral act based on the perversion of a natural function.
Richard Wetzel, M.D. States - "Genital anal intercourse is the sex act most often associated with the gay lifestyle. It is an accepted norm among essentially all gay, yet it is unhealthy, it is unnatural, and most people consider it to be offensive. Anal sex is unhealthy. Aside from sexually transmitted diseases, these acts lead to many other medical conditions including Gay Bowel Syndrome, hepatitis A, unusual infections of the epididymis, and other disorders of the anus and surrounding muscles such as fissures. Homosexuals who practice anal intercourse are as much as eighty-four times more likely to develop anal cancer than the general population." "Anal sex is unnatural. It obviously is traumatic to the anus, which simply is not made to accommodate the male organ. Not only does the anus have no natural lubrication, but it is clearly the wrong size for genital contact. As evidence of this, consider the difference in size of the speculum and the anoscope. The speculum, which the physician places inside the woman during a gynecological exam, is roughly the size and shape of the erect male organ. The anoscope, used to examine the anus, is half the diameter of the speculum - more similar in size to an adult forefinger. Any physician who would be foolish enough to attempt to examine a patient's anus with a speculum would quickly realize how unpopular that move would be."
"The act of anal sex is analogous to cleaning excrement from a bedpan with one's bare hands. Feces is unhealthy to handle and can lead to illness. Furthermore, gay sexual behaviors often go well beyond anal intercourse. For example, most gays actually put fingers and hands into each others' anuses and touch each others' anuses with their mouths and tongues."
Ummm…I seriously doubt that. But indeed you’ve stumbled on yet more compelling proof that homosexuality is a chosen behavior, next I guess you’re going to confess that it is. There’s no such thing as a bisexual. If you have same-sex attraction you are homosexual; there are no part time pathologies, just as there are no part time pedophiles, bestials or incestuals.
You know, I'm beginning to think maybe you are one of those 'cured' gay guys
Projection Alert! Projection Alert!
- since you really seem to want everyone to think you know so much about it....
Yes, reading is a wonderful skill, you should try it sometime. At the least you should make an effort to find out more about your disorder.
and how you keep mentioning "Hersheys"
Umm…now you’re really showing your brilliance. Can you please show me where I said such a thing Margaret?
and how your screenname has the word "Suhks" in it. Very interesting.
You know, it really takes a low IQ mentality to turn a saying my grandmother used to say, “sucks eggs,” into something perverse. Oh that’s right, you’re a pervert.
At any rate, as I said in a previous post, I think that pheremones… blather-blather.
Obviously you have NOTHING to offer but your contrived disordered opinion, and like assholes, everybody has one. When you have something relevant to say, that can be substantiated, then I’ll listen, until then you’re not worth the time. (Other than for a few good laughs that is.) Now go and practice your perversion and leave the adults to talk, OK sweetheart?
Conservative means social and fiscal combined. You are a Liberaltarian if anything other than a sad sick person. But there you go again; your brilliance made me laugh.
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