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States Adjust Rules to Curb Deer Herd (Doe hunting)
nytimes. ^ | December 29, 2002 | ANDREW C. REVKIN

Posted on 12/29/2002 8:34:19 AM PST by dennisw

December 29, 2002 States Adjust Rules to Curb Deer Herd By ANDREW C. REVKIN

ONTROSE, Pa. — For generations of deer hunters, a doe was the consolation prize — something to fill a freezer, perhaps, but nothing to be proud of. Hunters always set their sights on bucks, whether they were young and sprouting first antlers, or rare 200-pounders with trophy racks.

State regulations, not just here in Pennsylvania but around the country, encouraged the practice. And some landowners, eager to protect the next generation of deer, posted signs reading "No Doe Hunting."

Now many states are starting to react to the disastrous consequence, wildlife experts say. In much of the continent-spanning range of white-tailed deer, and especially in the Midwest and Northeast, populations have become hugely imbalanced, with the ratio of adult does to bucks often exceeding 10 to 1.

The imbalance has contributed to a population explosion that has caused an array of costly problems, including deer-car collisions, ruined crops and forests stripped of seedlings. The nationwide population of white-tailed deer has swelled to more than 20 million, up from just 500,000 in 1900.

"Every year, we've almost exterminated the adult bucks right out of the population," said Dr. Gary L. Alt, a biologist who directs deer management for the game commission of Pennsylvania. "It's been incredibly disruptive."

Pennsylvania has joined a growing list of states where game agencies or assemblages of private landowners are seeking to restore the balance. It has expanded the hunting season for antlerless deer (most such deer are female) and issued permits for killing does in places like farms that have sustained the most damage from deer. Other states that have enacted such rules or that are considering them include New York, Georgia, Arkansas, Mississippi and Michigan.

Among other changes, Pennsylvania extended its doe season last year to two weeks, from three days. In that first season, hunters killed about a third of the state's 1.3 million deer, with bucks accounting for 42 percent of the total.

This year, early counts are showing that only 26 percent of the deer killed were bucks. "Three does for every buck," Dr. Alt said. "A few years ago that would have been unthinkable."

It may sound callous, he and other experts say, but until someone develops an effective birth-control program for deer — something that has succeeded only under ideal conditions with isolated deer populations — hunters hold the best hope of containing the population.

"We're finally starting to use hunters to manage deer rather than managing deer for hunters," said Bryon P. Shissler, a biologist who is a consultant for the Pennsylvania chapter of the National Audubon Society.

It is a hard shift to make, with many hunters resisting the new rules. Some told local newspapers this fall that they were buying the $6 doe permits and not using them, to prevent other hunters from killing does. On a homemade plywood sign near Harrisburg, Dr. Alt was labeled "Osama bin Alt."

" `Did you get your buck?' That was always the question," said Ed Grasavage, 49, a longtime hunter with a 201-acre wooded tract near Montrose, about 30 miles north of Scranton in the Endless Mountains region.

But Mr. Grasavage is part of a growing national coalition of landowners and hunters espousing what they call quality deer management, in which the focus is shooting does and only older bucks.

"Hunters have essentially been takers," Mr. Grasavage said as he took Dr. Alt on a tour of the last day of the rifle season, starting before dawn with two father-son teams shooting on his property. "Now," Mr. Grasavage said, "we're trying to return something to the resource."

[Pennsylvania's deer season for hunters wielding bows or muzzle loaders began on Dec. 26 and will end on Jan. 11.]

Some critics say that notwithstanding the intentions of Dr. Alt and his counterparts elsewhere, many practices by state game agencies and private landowners could still increase deer numbers despite the shift in killing patterns.

For example, some opponents of hunting say, Pennsylvania and other states — often using millions of dollars in federal money collected through firearms taxes — raise forests' carrying capacity for deer by clearing patches in the woods and cultivating food plants like clover.

Sue Russell, a founder of the New Jersey League of Animal Protection Voters, said quality deer management not only encouraged shooting does, but also encouraged landowners to provide wild deer with food.

That practice was evident on Dr. Alt's tour. He and Mr. Grasavage passed a 600-acre tract owned by a deer hunter who had cleared wooded hills and carpeted them with cornfields — all intended for deer.

A few miles away, Dr. Alt spent half an hour hearing complaints from the Castrogiovanni family, whose 600-acre dairy farm is losing corn, tree seedlings and sprouting seed to roving herds. In essence, the only difference between the two nearby properties was that one was raising and fattening livestock while the other was raising and fattening deer. The goal of such practices, Ms. Russell said, is "to create more targets for more hunters."

Dr. Alt and many other wildlife and forestry experts acknowledged that providing extra food clashed with the long-term goal of reducing herds. But they said that it was a necessary compromise to build hunters' support.

For Dr. Alt, the visit to Montrose was like peeking from a front-line foxhole during a tentative truce.

He had spent years trying to sell skeptical hunters on the proposed rule changes. Now he was starting to see the fruits of that effort.

By late morning, fresh-killed deer were already piling up at Jeff Scavazzo's venison-processing plant, where they would soon be turned into vacuum-packed steaks, stew and kielbasa.

Eight were does. Only one was a buck. Dr. Alt took that as a sign of victory.

The misty hills nearby cracked and popped with rifle fire.

Dozens of orange-vested hunters hiked roadsides, hunched against slushy rain or crowded into pickups, and rushed to the woods to use their last permits before sundown.

Many were still gunning for bucks, but many others were happy to focus on does. Some told Dr. Alt of seeing significantly more bucks than they had in past years. This was encouraging, he said, but the overall numbers were still far too high.

Ben LaRue, the son of a dairy farmer with 700 acres, said he counted 84 deer that morning, including 31 bucks, two of which were "shooters," mature adults several years old.

"They've got to find a way to get after those does," Dr. Alt said.

Some hunters, when introduced, shook his hand as if he were a celebrity, saying they had once stood in crowds shouting him down at sportsmen's meetings.

"It's so nice to meet all these people and have them not want to punch your teeth out," Dr. Alt said.


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1 posted on 12/29/2002 8:34:19 AM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw
YES!!


We have had an enormously terrible time with all of Bambi's mothers in our backyard. It is time that the popublaion was evened a bit.
2 posted on 12/29/2002 8:39:31 AM PST by mlmr
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To: dennisw
What no Wolves in PA? They planted Wolves around abouts here a few years back, and now the population is on the verge of exploding and as a result this year was about the poorest deer season many remember. The wolf population will really take off in the next 2 years and then you will hear of some real scary stories. You will find out that the Wolf will indeed go after people et al.
3 posted on 12/29/2002 8:48:46 AM PST by crz
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To: dennisw
I had a hunter with a depridation permit killing deer on my property. One time, he shot a doe, unaware that her fawn was nearby. The baby was about a week old, and started running around in big circles SCREAMING. It was awful. I never knew deer had "voices" and I'll never forget that pathetic screaming.

HOWEVER.....I do agree that sparing the does has just added to the overpopulation problems.

Tough call.
4 posted on 12/29/2002 8:50:48 AM PST by EggsAckley
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To: EggsAckley
"...I had a hunter with a depridation permit killing deer on my property. One time, he shot a doe, unaware that her fawn was nearby. The baby was about a week old, and started running around in big circles SCREAMING. It was awful. I never knew deer had "voices" and I'll never forget that pathetic screaming..."

What was the problem?

Was the hunter out of ammo?

5 posted on 12/29/2002 9:01:35 AM PST by DWSUWF
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To: DWSUWF
Get a life.
6 posted on 12/29/2002 9:04:38 AM PST by EggsAckley
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To: EggsAckley
Tough call.

Not really. If you want the population to go down you kill the females. And if you don't curb the population you are going to end up with a lot of very hungry deer as they over graze. Thin and overcrowded they are then ripe for any passing disease. A lot more suffering then is necessary.

By the way the reason for the scream is two-fold. One is that it alerts the rest of the herd that there is a predator around and it also allows the same predator to find and dispatch the suffering animal quickly. Deer are not the only animals who do this, sheep and rabbits also scream, rabbits especially will stand your hair on end with their cries.

7 posted on 12/29/2002 9:47:32 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear
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To: dennisw
Here in Alabama Deer are a terrible problem and I don't know anyone who hasn't had a collision with one. I hit one with my brand new Ranger pickup the first week I had it. 3200.00 in damages. It was in the middle of the day too. Ran out of the woods and there was no way to stop. Some of my neighbors have installed brush guards on their pickups to cut down on the damage. Not a bad idea.

I wish the State would open up hunting and make it easier (and cheaper) for out-of-state hunters to come and help control this mess. The Alabama hunters usually kill 400,000 or more per year but the herd keeps on growing.

I recently read where 100 people per year( year 2000 figures) are killed in collisions with deer across the country and that there are over 4000 injuries. Also the cost of the 520,000 accidents with deer are shared by all of us in increased insurance costs.



8 posted on 12/29/2002 10:05:16 AM PST by Quigley
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To: Quigley
You're right, it's usually over 100 people killed per year.
In fact, deer are by far the most likely animal to kill you.
9 posted on 12/29/2002 10:54:41 AM PST by E.Allen
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To: EggsAckley
That's quite a story with the crying fawn.
10 posted on 12/29/2002 6:23:12 PM PST by dennisw
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To: crz
In Kalifornica they solved the deer overpopulation by making the killing of mountain lions illegal. Now there are very few deer and LOTS of cats. It is dangerious to leave your kids out at night. Dogs and cats disapear all the time. But the greenies in the cities are happy...
11 posted on 12/29/2002 9:30:15 PM PST by American in Israel
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To: dennisw
I live in Ohio but hunt near my hometown in Northwestern Pa. I have long been a proponent of balancing the harvest better between buck and does, and I'm often surprised at how the local Pa. hunters resist this (at least in NW Pa.)

They all insist that there are too few deer, and I have to admit I see more deer driving around the suburbs of Cleveland. (Of course, they havent been hunted in those areas of Ohio in many years.)

12 posted on 12/30/2002 6:01:00 AM PST by Kenton
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To: EggsAckley
Eggs
Fawn's are born in early spring in most parts of the country with the earliest deer seasons opening in late September at the earliest but early to mid November is the norm. By that time, the fawns of the year have a high liklihood of surviving alone.

Oklahoma has been successful in opening more doe hunting opportunitys and in getting more hunters to actually harvest does instead of shooting young, non trophy bucks who are usually 1.5 years old. This allows more bucks to reach trophy age of 3.5 to 6.5 years, allows them to further develop their survival instincts, and makes for a healthier herd.
13 posted on 12/30/2002 8:36:10 AM PST by nomorecameljocks
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To: nomorecameljocks
THIS fawn was still spotted and tiny, and it WAS spring. Since we had a depredation permit, we were allowed to kill deer outside of hunting season.

I do agree that the does need to be thinned. My post was just to point out that there are two sides to the issue. I'm no PETA type, but that little fawn was enough to stir even the hardest heart.

This year we are being deluged with deer, and oddly, fawns are appearing at all times of the year. Could use some depredation now.
14 posted on 12/30/2002 8:50:25 AM PST by EggsAckley
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To: dennisw
Alot of the problem is the older hunters are still in the old mentality of bucks only. Changing their minds is the biggest problem.
15 posted on 12/30/2002 9:17:08 AM PST by Intimidator
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To: EggsAckley
One way to hunt does,or predators, is to use a fawn in distress call,or,blow on a blade of grass between your thumbs....the does will come running to defend the fawn.
If you are wearing camo and sitting on the ground,be careful not to be "hooved".
16 posted on 12/30/2002 12:52:49 PM PST by Minnesoootan
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To: Quigley
Some of my neighbors have installed brush guards on their pickups to cut down on the damage.

In Australia they're called roo-bars (short for kangaroo) for that very reason.

EBUCK

17 posted on 12/30/2002 2:59:50 PM PST by EBUCK
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To: dd5339; cavtrooper21
blastin' Bambi ping!
18 posted on 12/31/2002 5:29:41 AM PST by Vic3O3
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To: EggsAckley
Yeah, that would be tough to watch I agree. Didn't realize that depredation permits would provide for spring or summer thinning.
19 posted on 12/31/2002 6:24:02 AM PST by nomorecameljocks
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To: EggsAckley
Yeah, that would be tough to watch I agree. Didn't realize that depredation permits would provide for spring or summer thinning. Actually, one problem with early spring depredation thinning would be the inadvertant harvest of young bucks who probably will not be coming out in velvet until May or so. Mature bucks could possibly be distinguished by body size and shape.
20 posted on 12/31/2002 6:27:15 AM PST by nomorecameljocks
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