Posted on 12/26/2002 6:02:33 PM PST by HAL9000
Birth of a small girl obtained by cloning, according to the sect of the raéliens
Friday December 27, 2002 - 1h49 GMT
MIAMI (the United States), 26 déc (AFP) - the scientist Frenchwoman and member of the sect of the raéliens Brigitte Boisselier affirmed Thursday evening with the AFP to have put at the world a baby obtained by the technique of the cloning.
The baby, a small girl, came in the world "today" (Thursday) by Caesarean. "Ca they passed very well", was restricted to affirm Mrs. Boisselier, president of the company of human cloning Clonaid, joined by telephone in Miami (Florida, south-east of the United States).
The effort of the raéliens to put at the world the first cloné baby having been realized in the greatest secrecy, it was not possible, in the absence of a scientific publication in the code of practice, to obtain for the moment an unspecified independent scientific confirmation that the baby was well a clone.
Questioned on the circumstances of this birth, it scientific Frenchwoman refused to give further information immediately more, in particular the birthplace.
"I prefer not in saying more for the moment", has it says, by adding that it would make a public presentation Friday in Florida.
It did not specify either if it would introduce the baby at this occasion.
November 27, Mrs. Boisselier had indicated to the AFP that this birth was awaited by an American couple.
If this birth were confirmed of independent scientific source, it would be about the first baby obtained by the discussed technique of the human cloning and whose birth will have been publicly announced.
Chelsea...
The point of contention resides upon the spiritual domain.
This is an important discernment. For example it is far better to die physically ad the spirit enter heaven, than to have that which is incorpreal also perish but an extended physical life.
If you seek peer-reveiwed confiration, consider issues such as out-of-body experiences where serial numbers are read off the reverse side of lamps over operating tables by patients who are declared physically dead, but who are later revived. Something exists associated with what is described as a spiritual domain, yet is not understood on physical terms.
Scripture provides enormous volumes of guidance regarding these domains.
Even within Bible believing communities, there is a divergence of doctrine regarding the discernment of soul and spirit.
Those who discern spiritual things recognize situations exist where disembodied spirits have possessed and more often may influence the persons of humans, especially of unbelievers. The spirits are characterized as persons and are discernible from other persons.
The soul has also been associated with life breathed being. Some Christian doctrines asserts that all animals have soul and reasoning ability, but lack spirit. Some non Christian religions associate spirits with animals as well.
Most Christians agree that man is discernible from other animals in that we have the ability to commune with God, whereas, upon the animal's physical death, they are no more.
Accordingly, if we have a creature, created by man but lacking the ability to receive a God-given spirit, then upon their death they might not be equatable to humans in being able to commune with God. Worse, their bodies might be capable of hosting disembodied spirits, which have been known to man to include those of fallen angels or demons.
Interestingly, many of the same themes attributed to the doctrines of demons also match the doctrines espoused by Raelians. For this reason, the issues aren't moot.
How about that sword that separates and divides asunder soul from spirit?
IIRC, the Rael rep was a tad bit aloof, talked in grand generalizations, etc.
Duplicity?
You sly dog, you! ;-)
The issues implied are really the domain of Frankenstein and commentaries of the like.
When the lab tests the DNA, all this whining will be in vain! Geezz, I can't believe you folks are falling for this con!
LOL!
Can you say professional sports?
The guys that clean the locker rooms probably have freezers stuffed with all kinds of genetic material. The locker room attendants for the Washington Wizards and LA Lakers will be our next billionaires.
Look for the price of Marilyn Monroe's, Jane Mansfield's, Princess Grace's and Di's, etc. personal items to skyrocket.
Isn't some laboratory still studying Einstein's brain? How about some government (North Korea, China, Iraq, Iran) placing an order for 1,000 (evil) genii?
She is trying to justify this experiment, and I have this sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.
What have we done, Dear Lord?
sw
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