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BBC - Humans on Mars 'by 2025'
BBC News ^ | 12-26-02 | By Helen Briggs, BBC science reporter

Posted on 12/26/2002 5:52:36 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

Europe is considering sending humans to the Moon, Mars and beyond within the next few decades.

Under proposals being discussed by member states, a robotic outpost could be set up on the Red Planet to pave the way for a human landing.

The European Space Agency (Esa) believes that by 2025, the technology will exist to send humans to Mars.

It is considering two flagship missions to find a suitable landing site for astronauts and to bring back the first sample of Martian soil.

        " It is feasible that perhaps by 2025 Europe would have the expertise to send a human to Mars and bring them back "
        David Hall, British National Space Centre

A decision on whether to send humans to Mars could be taken as early as 2015.

The plans are part of Esa's Aurora human space exploration programme.

It will define a European strategy for the exploration of the Solar System over the next 30 years, which could include human expeditions to the Moon, Mars, asteroids and even beyond.

David Hall, director of science at the British National Space Centre (BNSC) in London, is the UK's representative on the panel.

He told BBC News Online: "I think it is feasible to think that perhaps by 2025 Europe would have the expertise to send a human to Mars and bring them back."

Global collaboration

The cost of sending astronauts to Mars or beyond is likely to be exorbitant and a global commitment may be the only way to achieve it.

Europe is planning an individual programme with an eye to collaboration with the likes of the US, Russia, Japan and perhaps China.

The International Space Station has paved the way for such a venture but its progress has been marred by political squabbles.

Politics will prove a formidable barrier for many countries, including Britain.

Under current policy, Britain is firmly against committing resources to human exploration.

Its interest in Aurora focuses on the robotic phase of the mission, where Britain has some expertise.

Politicians will have to decide in the next year or two whether to stay in the full programme.

"Clearly, the UK's reason for going to space is to use space for certain purposes - technology, innovation and for pure science studies," said Hall.

"There is always the argument that humans will have to go to space to do the science. At the moment, the UK would not be very convinced by that argument."

British astronauts?

The UK's priorities in space were brought into sharp relief recently by the visit of Piers Sellers to the International Space Station.

The government does not support human space flight and will not fund UK citizens to go through the official European astronaut training programme.

Sellers was born in East Sussex but had to become an American to achieve his dream of becoming an astronaut.

According to David Hall, the idea of a true British astronaut would be a major cultural shift.

"The UK tends to say: 'do it for science, do it for commerce' - but the UK has always hesitated at doing it for cultural reasons or political reasons outside science," he said.

The BNSC will publish its draft space plan in spring 2003, followed by a consultation period.

This will allow the public to have their say on whether the UK should cooperate with Europe's plans for human exploration of the Solar System.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: mars

1 posted on 12/26/2002 5:52:36 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Most of the socialist Euro-states will soon be too broke to even send someone to Coventry, let alone Mars.

Leni

2 posted on 12/26/2002 5:57:21 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: MinuteGal
That is exactly what I first thought. They can't even afford to chip in for a cheepo Space Station, let alone fly to the Moon. And Mars, HAAA! The poverty pimps will never allow it. They want ALL of the money not just a cut. That's why America stopped going. "Too many problems here on Earth" they said. Doesn't matter to them how many jobs are created by a space program, we need programs that cater to the poor, serve them breakfast in bed, that sort of thing.

Don't get me started.

3 posted on 12/26/2002 6:08:02 AM PST by Falcon4.0
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To: MinuteGal
Hi,

...But aren't the United States becoming increasingly like the Socialist Euro-States, (AKA) just look at Cali& the Border States, they have Huge S/Security Sytems in those states, America Seems to be following Europe, what happened to Individual Success & Inginuity, when Immigrants & their Kids came and increased up the Socio-Economic Ladder, now all that seems to happen is they come (Illegal Included) and jump on the Liberal - Welfare Wagon. No wonder California has a $30 Billion deficit and Texas a $9.0 Billion deficit, those states seem to be heading for a Economic Train Reck.

Thanks !!
4 posted on 12/26/2002 6:13:34 AM PST by RICK77
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The only piece of information in this article worth thinking about has nothing to do with the Europeans, who obviously have no chance of being space pioneers, or any other kind of pioneers, mired as they are in their socialist experimentations.

What's interesting here is the mention of robot colonies paving the way for human habitation. That's the way it's going to happen and that's what we should be concentrating on right now. Building better space robots and getting more of them up there in operation. We could have a robot city on Mars for a hundredth of the cost of sending a single human team.
5 posted on 12/26/2002 6:17:32 AM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman
Send the Clintons.
6 posted on 12/26/2002 6:23:20 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: RICK77
California has a $30 Billion deficit and Texas a $9.0 Billion deficit, those states seem to be heading for a Economic Train Reck.

Ever wonder what will happen when the bills come due? Somehow, I don't see big government coming out on the short end. Or the people coming out on the long end.

7 posted on 12/26/2002 6:59:30 AM PST by templar
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To: samtheman
That's the way it's going to happen and that's what we should be concentrating on right now.

Why? Other than curiosity, what real benefit would come from trying to colonize mars? Seems like a lot of money for very little practicle return. At least till a lot of other things are addressed first.

8 posted on 12/26/2002 7:02:34 AM PST by templar
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
This Mars thing is looking more and more like the fusion thing.

"A few more billion and we'll have it in 25 years."

10 posted on 12/26/2002 7:14:11 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
There goes the neighborhood!
11 posted on 12/26/2002 7:17:39 AM PST by G.Mason
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
But they will be Chinese humans.
12 posted on 12/26/2002 7:21:40 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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To: templar
Other than curiosity, what real benefit would come from trying to colonize mars?

One we establish a colony there, we could go to Mecca, load that meteorite on a space craft and haul it to the red planet. Then we can load all the adherents of the Religion of Peace on a rocket and send them there. World peace...

13 posted on 12/26/2002 8:10:04 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Send the Clintons.

I can just see the new books:

"It Takes a Global Community to Raise an Astronaut to Mars" by Hillary Clinton
"Mars in the Balance" by Al Gore
"Wernher von Braun is a Big, Fat Idiot" by Al Franken

14 posted on 12/26/2002 8:23:55 AM PST by TrappedInLiberalHell
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
I think you're working overtime.
Have a happy New Year !
Eric
15 posted on 12/26/2002 8:52:01 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"Europe's plans for human exploration...2025, the technology will exist to send humans to Mars..."


I'm trying to control my laughter.How is Europe going to fund this? From the IMF? The World Bank?And leave the U.S. out of it,but go ther on 'our' tax dollars? Sure. I wonder how they'll deal with what ended up as a 4 month
planet-wide sandstorm from June to September 2001,Hmmm?That question still requires an answer.

See the Pics here http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap011017.html

or http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap010727.html


16 posted on 12/26/2002 10:01:58 AM PST by Pagey
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To: Mr. Jeeves
But they will be Chinese humans.

Unfortunately, i suspect this is what destiny holds.

NASA has become too sclerotic to think outside the box. The Chinese will cut corners, take risks with their taikonauts, lose one or more crews, get to Mars and back, probably before 2010, IMHO.

Alternative: a commercial private company does the same, launched from some bizarre African country which provides it a flag of convenience -- assuming the U.N. doesn't try to get into the act to keep private companies from competing w/ bloated space bureaucracies...

17 posted on 12/26/2002 10:16:00 AM PST by chilepepper
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