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Bush to propose requiring ISPs to monitor Net
New York Times ^ | 19 December 2002 | John Markoff and John Schwartz

Posted on 12/19/2002 10:15:02 PM PST by Asmodeus

The Bush administration is planning to propose requiring Internet service providers to help build a centralized system to enable broad monitoring of the Internet and, potentially, surveillance of its users.

The proposal is part of a final version of a report, ``The National Strategy to Secure Cyberspace,'' set for release early next year, according to several people who have been briefed on the report. It is a component of the effort to increase national security after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

The president's Critical Infrastructure Protection Board is preparing the report, and it is intended to create public and private cooperation to regulate and defend the national computer networks, not only from everyday hazards such as viruses but also from terrorist attack.

Ultimately, the report is intended to provide an Internet strategy for the new Department of Homeland Security.

Such a proposal, which would be subject to congressional and regulatory approval, would be a technical challenge because the Internet has thousands of independent service providers, from garage operations to giant corporations such as America Online, AT&T, Microsoft and WorldCom.

The report does not detail specific operational requirements, locations for the centralized system or costs, people who were briefed on the document said.

While the proposal is meant to gauge the overall state of the worldwide network, some officials of Internet companies who have been briefed on the proposal say they worry that such a system could be used to cross the indistinct border between broad monitoring and wiretap.

Stewart Baker, a Washington lawyer who represents some of the nation's largest ISPs, said, ``Internet service providers are concerned about the privacy implications of this as well as liability,'' since providing access to live feeds of network activity could be interpreted as a wiretap or as the ``pen register'' and ``trap and trace'' systems used on phones without a judicial order.

Baker said the issue would need to be resolved before the proposal could move forward.

Tiffany Olson, the deputy chief of staff for the president's Critical Infrastructure Protection Board, said Thursday that the proposal, which includes a national network operations center, was still in flux. She said the proposed methods do not necessarily require gathering data that would allow monitoring at an individual user level.

But the need for a large-scale operations center is real, Olson said, because Internet service providers and security companies and other online companies only have a view of the part of the Internet that is under their control.

``We don't have anybody that is able to look at the entire picture,'' she said. ``When something is happening, we don't know it's happening until it's too late.''

The government report was first released in draft form in September, and described the monitoring center, but it suggested it would likely be controlled by industry. The current draft sets the stage for the government to have a leadership role.

The new proposal is labeled in the report as an ``early-warning center'' that the board says is required to offer early detection of Internet-based attacks as well as defense against viruses and worms.

But Internet service providers argue that its data-monitoring functions could be used to track the activities of individuals using the network.

An official with a major data services company who has been briefed on several aspects of the government's plans said it was hard to see how such capabilities could be provided to government without the potential for real-time monitoring, even of individuals.

``Part of monitoring the Internet and doing real-time analysis is to be able to track incidents while they are occurring,'' the official said.

The official compared the system to Carnivore, the Internet wiretap system used by the FBI, saying: ``Am I analogizing this to Carnivore? Absolutely. But in fact, it's 10 times worse. Carnivore was working on much smaller feeds and could not scale. This is looking at the whole Internet.''


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KEYWORDS: carnivore; computersecurityin; internetmonitoring; privacylist; terrorism; war; waronterrorism
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1 posted on 12/19/2002 10:15:02 PM PST by Asmodeus
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To: Asmodeus
The leadership of the Republican party takes the conservative voter for granted in precisely the same manner that Democrats take the black vote for granted.

2 posted on 12/19/2002 10:23:00 PM PST by Mark Felton
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To: Asmodeus
Big deal.
Why should I get absolute privacy on someone else's property?
3 posted on 12/19/2002 10:26:32 PM PST by PRND21
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To: Mark Felton
there won't be another election
4 posted on 12/19/2002 10:27:27 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: Mark Felton
Have blacks stopped voting Democratic?
5 posted on 12/19/2002 10:28:51 PM PST by Howlin
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To: *Privacy_list; *Computer Security In
bump
6 posted on 12/19/2002 10:28:57 PM PST by The Obstinate Insomniac
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To: Mark Felton
The leadership of the Republican party takes the conservative voter for granted in precisely the same manner that Democrats take the black vote for granted.

You're getting a check?

7 posted on 12/19/2002 10:31:26 PM PST by PRND21
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To: Asmodeus

"Outlook Express cannot send your message because the FSB employee responsible for monitoring your mail is temporarily absent."

Russia started doing this in '98 with laws called SORM and SORM-2. It arosed quite a bit of controversy, especially since the ISPs were responsible for swallowing the costs involved in wiring FSB-FAPSI (Russian NSA).

8 posted on 12/19/2002 10:32:33 PM PST by struwwelpeter
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To: PRND21
Is that some sort of racist welfare remark regarding black voters?
9 posted on 12/19/2002 10:32:55 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Howlin
"Have blacks stopped voting Democratic?"

Of course not. No more than conservtives stopped voting Republican.

They both suffer battered voter syndrome. The more they are abused the more they believe they must "love" their party so they can fix it. They both fret that they have no where else to go, so they do not leave. They merely stay with the abuser and hope the abuser can be reformed (they never are reformed).

10 posted on 12/19/2002 10:35:45 PM PST by Mark Felton
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To: Asmodeus
Super.

Tancredo in 2004!
11 posted on 12/19/2002 10:35:59 PM PST by BenR2
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To: Asmodeus
``The National Strategy to Secure Cyberspace,''

Also known as "The National Strategy to Ape Communist China".
12 posted on 12/19/2002 10:36:39 PM PST by aruanan
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To: PRND21
You're getting a check?

Of course not. I am not a modern conservative. (Modern conservatives are pro-socialist programs such as social security, welfare, prescription medicine, fed education...)

13 posted on 12/19/2002 10:37:56 PM PST by Mark Felton
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To: Asmodeus
Of course.....those cowards who are afraid to stand up for our Rights...will be the first ones chanting (probably in unison)....."If you're not doing anything wrong...why would you be worried??"

Welcome to the NEW 'Amerika'!!

redrock

14 posted on 12/19/2002 10:43:42 PM PST by redrock
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To: Asmodeus
Eventually the state will require that encryption be outlawed unless the pure and idealistic govt employees are allowed to hold the keys to decrypt what you are sending.
15 posted on 12/19/2002 10:44:36 PM PST by ikka
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To: Asmodeus
Related thread: Feds Seek to Identify People by Odor
16 posted on 12/19/2002 10:44:42 PM PST by Willie Green
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To: Mark Felton
Modern conservatives are pro-socialist programs such as social security, welfare, prescription medicine, fed education

Can you name a Freeper that believes in all those programs?

17 posted on 12/19/2002 10:45:27 PM PST by PRND21
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To: Asmodeus
``Part of monitoring the Internet and doing real-time analysis is to be able to track incidents while they are occurring,'' the official said.
The smart bad guys are encrypting their traffic so this is only going to catch the not so tech savvy crook. Or to collect dirt on enemies.
18 posted on 12/19/2002 10:47:45 PM PST by lelio
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To: redrock
those cowards who are afraid to stand up for our Rights

What rights? Your computer rights end with your phone line.

19 posted on 12/19/2002 10:50:38 PM PST by PRND21
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To: redrock
Scan our computers, erect surveillances cameras, turn airports into a shakedown zones while millions routinely, at will, invade our borders and spit on our laws and sovereignty.

As long as the government continues to leave the doors and windows to our house wide open, there will be no Home Land Security.

20 posted on 12/19/2002 10:52:31 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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