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The Two Towers; One Freepers Review
12/19/02 | Anitius Severinus Boethius

Posted on 12/19/2002 8:14:17 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius

How does one begin to discuss a film that is at it's essence not a film in the way most people understand. There can be no mistaking, those who do not have an understanding of who these characters are, either from viewing the first movie or by reading the books, cannot begin to catch up with this movie. In that understanding, this movie cannot and does not stand on it's own. Unlike other "middle installments" (The Empire Strikes Back, The Temple of Doom, The Godfather Part II) this film is not a complete story, and for some non-book fans that will be a serious problem.

The second problem with the film is the unrelenting pace by which things happen. I say that it is a problem, but not in a bad way. It's like having a girlfriend or wife that is so attractive that other men are constantly staring. Or having your stock portfolio increase so much that the SEC investigates. You know, it's a problem, but not one you want to be rid of. The film is fast. Let me make that clear, it is F A S T.

Imagine the Die Hard movies all in 90 minutes. Bruce takes care of Alan Rickman and frees the skyscraper in 30 minutes before taking on rogue Special Forces at JFK and blowing up their plane at the 60 minute mark and then jumping in a cab with Sam Jackson to foil another group of terrorists in the city in another half hour. But don't cut any scenes.

The third problem, and again this is from someone who is very familiar with the books, is the uneveness of the story. This actually is a real problem, and why the film seems a bit choppy at time. Unfortunately, this is the good Professors doing and he left himself an out that Jackson couldn't take. The Frodo storyline is a much more contemplative storyline than the other two and feels much more mellow and sinister. Tolkien worked around this by keeping it seperate in his storytelling; Jackson had no such luxury. A fault with the film, but oddly enough the fault lies in not the director nor the material but rather in the medium itself.

Wow, sounds like I had a lot of problems with the film, doesn't it. Well, no. In fact quite the opposite. The problem with reviewing this film is there is such a cornucopia of real magnificant things that it is easier to recognize that which didn't work instead of that which did. Imagine talking about Ben-Hur without mentioning the chariot race. What a magnificant piece of film making! The Two Towers has so many "chariot race" type scenes that it would be impossible to describe them all and diminish them if you just took a sampling.

Absolutely the best film of the year, and that includes fan favorites such as Spiderman and critics favorites such as The Hours or Far From Heaven. Sadly, the problems with the film will stick out in the minds of many due to the consistantly excellent qualities that permeate this work of art. For that reason, I think that the academy might overlook many of the great accomplishments of this film. That is very dissapointing, because Andy Serkis, Howard Shore (whose score works much better in this film for me than in the first film), and especially Peter Jackson deserve to be holding little gold statues in March.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: freeks; gore; tolkien; twotowers
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To: BornOnTheFourth
Yeah! Wish we could go with you; I'm sure we'll catch at least #3 in the next week or so.

Be sure to tell me what you think afterwards.

Dan

261 posted on 12/20/2002 7:31:20 AM PST by BibChr
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
> Tolkien hated to be edited ... by other people!

Thinking about the
"edits" in this film, last night
I noticed a strange

pattern to at least
two of them. In the books, the
Ents were smart enough

to recognize what
was happening, wise enough
to realize they

had to take action.
In the books, Faramir was
smart enough to guess

Frodo quest and wise
enough to let Frodo go.
But -- but! -- in the film

the Ents were chunkheads
and only circumstances
let the two hobbits

sledge-hammer the Ents
over the head about the
danger. Only then

did the Ents fight back.
The film Faramir only
learns what's going on

direct from golem,
and then is unwise enough
to capture Frodo

until, again, chance
circumstances sledge-hammer
him over the head

about Frodo's quest.
These changes cut to the heart
of Tolkien's vision

of these people. Small
changes, yes, but depressing!
And, on another

topic, the "little"
change to the Arwen story --
-- Aragorn telling

Eowyn bluntly
that Arwen has gone away --
totally changes

the deep, transcendent
nature of their magical
bond and love affair.

Bizarre, small changes.
These changes cut to the heart
of Tolkien's vision.

262 posted on 12/20/2002 7:53:22 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: HairOfTheDog
There is another time when Frodo senses the eye searching for him, getting closer and then it rather suddenly turns away. I will look for it on our next run through the Two Towers when we start up the Green Dragon again

That scene is in "The Fellowship of the Ring", chapter, "The Breaking of the Fellowship". Frodo is on Amon Hen, in the Seat of Seeing, just as the previous poster said.

263 posted on 12/20/2002 9:24:53 AM PST by Forgiven_Sinner
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation
the Fellowship heads west until they hit the surf, sail far out, drop the ring in the water, end of movie, end of saga, roll credits...

If LOTR had been a 1950s sci fi flick, they would have tried to destroy the ring with an atomic bomb.

264 posted on 12/20/2002 9:36:35 AM PST by My2Cents
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To: My2Cents
Beautiful picture! I think Hildebrandt was used as a consultant with the movie.

SPOILERS for ROTK







However, it is not accurate to the book. In ROTK, Eowyn slays the beast with her helmet ON, and then as she faces the Nazgul on FOOT, she removes her helmet after he says, "No man will ever slay me"

A great scene in the book--I look forward to the movie!
265 posted on 12/20/2002 9:38:03 AM PST by Forgiven_Sinner
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To: BigFLPanhandleDude
Yeah, I had the same thought when they were shown briefly on screen: "al Qaeda," or at least garden variety Islamists.
266 posted on 12/20/2002 9:40:40 AM PST by My2Cents
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
Artistic license by the Brothers Hildebrandt, I'm sure. Even if the book has Eowyn slaying the winged beast with her helmet on, I'm glad the Hildebrandts decided to show her with her blonde hair flowing. Must more dramatic, and beautiful.
267 posted on 12/20/2002 9:45:01 AM PST by My2Cents
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To: My2Cents
You are completely correct. A painting is a different medium from a book. One must be beautiful, the other must be logical.
268 posted on 12/20/2002 9:55:48 AM PST by Forgiven_Sinner
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
"No man will ever slay me"

If memory serves: "Hinder me? Thou fool! No living man may hinder me!"

PJ had better deliver on this scene -- but how do they work in the prophecy?

269 posted on 12/20/2002 10:02:27 AM PST by cogitator
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
One other note: she slays the beast with her helmet off. The Hildebrandts got it right.

IF YOU'RE FOLLOWING ALONG AND JUST WANT TO SEE THE MOVIES WITHOUT READING THE BOOKS, DON'T CLICK THE LINK BELOW.

Eowyn's Battle

270 posted on 12/20/2002 10:14:06 AM PST by cogitator
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To: BigFLPanhandleDude
They were the men of Harad. They were ordinary men who were deceived by Sauron by fanning the flames of generations old hatred between them and the people of Gondor.
271 posted on 12/20/2002 10:19:00 AM PST by Liberal Classic
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation
4. Since when are Elrond and Galadriel telepathic?

BOOK SPOILERS TO FOLLOW

It is my understanding that some kind of telepathy is possible between bearers of the three elven-rings. You find out at the end of the3rd book that they are held by Elrond, Galadriel, and Gandalf. Remeber, when the One Ring was forged the wearers of the elven rings immediately became aware of Sauron and removed their rings.

272 posted on 12/20/2002 10:37:06 AM PST by ko_kyi
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To: Billthedrill
BOTR is the greatest parody of all time.
273 posted on 12/20/2002 10:40:32 AM PST by ko_kyi
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To: Elenya; My2Cents; FormerRep
Thanks all for your input.
I'll still hold out hope for Wormtongue ;)
And I think it is a testament to both Tolkien as the writer and Jackson as the interpreter that so much richness and depth can be realized and given to us...
i couldn't ask for a better x-mas gift (Well maybe ROTK)
watching it again tonight for the third time. i'm sure i'll pick up some other moment of beauty/terror/sadness/pity/emotion ;)

274 posted on 12/20/2002 11:14:29 AM PST by anka
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To: cogitator
Thanks for the citation. So much for my memory. Sorry about that. I just read that last year too, aloud, to my 9 year old son. I knew she slew the beast on the way down, but forgot that it came down and then went back up to attack.

Proving once again that human memory is not like computer memory. We reconstruct our memories from bits and pieces--it is not a whole, like a stored file.
275 posted on 12/20/2002 12:29:37 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner
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To: epluribus_2
" it is practically a propaganda piece for the Bush Doctrine!"

I think it would be a stretch of the imagination for Tolkien himself to come to to that conclusion, but by all means, clue me in. I have always thought it was just a well-written and delightful fantasy classic with a message of good prevailing over evil, or is that your point?

276 posted on 12/20/2002 12:42:40 PM PST by sweetliberty
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To: Joe Hadenuf
" I am just not into fantasy mumbo jumbo!"

I'll bet you pulled the wings off of flies when you were little too. Teehee... just picking on you.

277 posted on 12/20/2002 12:47:40 PM PST by sweetliberty
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To: FormerRep
"The only line of Legolas that I hated"

I thought it was charming...and funny. Now the stair surfing thing....THAT was a bit much.

278 posted on 12/20/2002 12:52:50 PM PST by sweetliberty
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To: FormerRep
"Gollum was the best non-human character ever put into film"

Undoubtedly! Just incredible.

279 posted on 12/20/2002 12:56:24 PM PST by sweetliberty
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To: HairOfTheDog
"Because I picture him as a lurking, shy shadowy character that would probably cringe at close contact"

That is what I would have thought as well. I was surprised to see him so up close and personal, and I was shocked by his attack on Frodo. I don't recall that from the books, although it has been a long time since I read them all.

280 posted on 12/20/2002 12:59:56 PM PST by sweetliberty
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