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The Two Towers; One Freepers Review
12/19/02 | Anitius Severinus Boethius

Posted on 12/19/2002 8:14:17 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius

How does one begin to discuss a film that is at it's essence not a film in the way most people understand. There can be no mistaking, those who do not have an understanding of who these characters are, either from viewing the first movie or by reading the books, cannot begin to catch up with this movie. In that understanding, this movie cannot and does not stand on it's own. Unlike other "middle installments" (The Empire Strikes Back, The Temple of Doom, The Godfather Part II) this film is not a complete story, and for some non-book fans that will be a serious problem.

The second problem with the film is the unrelenting pace by which things happen. I say that it is a problem, but not in a bad way. It's like having a girlfriend or wife that is so attractive that other men are constantly staring. Or having your stock portfolio increase so much that the SEC investigates. You know, it's a problem, but not one you want to be rid of. The film is fast. Let me make that clear, it is F A S T.

Imagine the Die Hard movies all in 90 minutes. Bruce takes care of Alan Rickman and frees the skyscraper in 30 minutes before taking on rogue Special Forces at JFK and blowing up their plane at the 60 minute mark and then jumping in a cab with Sam Jackson to foil another group of terrorists in the city in another half hour. But don't cut any scenes.

The third problem, and again this is from someone who is very familiar with the books, is the uneveness of the story. This actually is a real problem, and why the film seems a bit choppy at time. Unfortunately, this is the good Professors doing and he left himself an out that Jackson couldn't take. The Frodo storyline is a much more contemplative storyline than the other two and feels much more mellow and sinister. Tolkien worked around this by keeping it seperate in his storytelling; Jackson had no such luxury. A fault with the film, but oddly enough the fault lies in not the director nor the material but rather in the medium itself.

Wow, sounds like I had a lot of problems with the film, doesn't it. Well, no. In fact quite the opposite. The problem with reviewing this film is there is such a cornucopia of real magnificant things that it is easier to recognize that which didn't work instead of that which did. Imagine talking about Ben-Hur without mentioning the chariot race. What a magnificant piece of film making! The Two Towers has so many "chariot race" type scenes that it would be impossible to describe them all and diminish them if you just took a sampling.

Absolutely the best film of the year, and that includes fan favorites such as Spiderman and critics favorites such as The Hours or Far From Heaven. Sadly, the problems with the film will stick out in the minds of many due to the consistantly excellent qualities that permeate this work of art. For that reason, I think that the academy might overlook many of the great accomplishments of this film. That is very dissapointing, because Andy Serkis, Howard Shore (whose score works much better in this film for me than in the first film), and especially Peter Jackson deserve to be holding little gold statues in March.


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To: My2Cents
regarding your thoughts on Gollum/Smeagol:

Oscar for Serkis. I was in tears when Gollum calls Smeagol a murderer.


A question for you as well:
I had this discussion with a friend I viewed the movie with (second viewing).

When Grima drops the single tear upon viewing the army of Sauruman... I took it as a sign of Grima's last vestige of humanity coming to the surface and his realization of the destruction he has helped come to his people.

My friend thought that they were tears of joy?!

Yourself?
141 posted on 12/19/2002 12:45:31 PM PST by anka
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To: Liberal Classic
I agree. I think the Nazgul at Osgiliath sub-plot in the movie version shouldn't have happened, given the plot-hole you just described.

However, realize that PJ had to make SOME allowance to make the movie appeal to the uninitiated. Given that, I feel the scene, although not necessarily "needed", was important for a number of reasons....again, mostly appealing to the uninitiated.

It shows the ferocity of the Nazgul, the unberable power of the Ring, Sam's utter devotion to his Master Frodo, and solidifies Faramir's positioning...setting the stage for RotK.

I'm a Tolkien Purist at heart, so I agree with you that the scene doesn't make sense to those that know the True story. But, I'm willing to make a few exceptions for the sake of cinematic brilliance.
142 posted on 12/19/2002 12:46:45 PM PST by ItsOurTimeNow
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
They did correct him... if I had continued the quote:
'Not alone,' said Legolas. 'We think that Sam went with him.'

'Did he!' said Gandalf, and there was a gleam in his eye and a smile on his face. 'Did he indeed? It is news to me, yet it does not surprise me. Good! Very good! You lighten my heart. You must tell me more. Now sit by me and tell me the tale of your journey.'

As for which close call Gandalf was talking about, I am not sure... A quick search hasn't found the quote, but there is a sequence in the book where a winged Nazgul is near Frodo and suddenly veers away... There is another time when Frodo senses the eye searching for him, getting closer and then it rather suddenly turns away. I will look for it on our next run through the Two Towers when we start up the Green Dragon again.

143 posted on 12/19/2002 12:48:06 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
***SPOILER ALERT***


I had some confusion over the Gandalf vs. the Balrog scene(s). The locational progression just didn't make sense.

To recap:
We see Gandalf falling with the Balrog down a chasm presumably in the core of a mountain (?). They fall ... Gandalf manages to poke the flame-spouting Balrog with his sword ... they fall. They reach the end of the chasm and fall into the ocean below (?). Next we see them battling atop a snowy mountain (?) where Gandalf finally claims victory.

Was I seeing wrong? This is entirely possible given the fact it was around 12am. :)



144 posted on 12/19/2002 12:48:17 PM PST by k2blader
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To: Liberal Classic
Naw, don't worry. I get into conversations with my fourteen year old that would make what you would hear at Trekkie conventions seem profound. My main response when he gets in too deep is ... "Uh, hello? It's a MOVIE!"
145 posted on 12/19/2002 12:49:02 PM PST by katana
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To: HairOfTheDog
They did correct him... if I had continued the quote:

Ahh! See, there I go being hasty again! HROOOM HOM!

146 posted on 12/19/2002 12:51:49 PM PST by ItsOurTimeNow
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To: FormerRep
4. Since when are Elrond and Galadriel telepathic?

It's in the book!! From The Return of the King, chapter 6, "Many Partings":

Here now for seven days they tarried, for the time was at hand for another parting which they were loth to make. Soon Celeborn and Galadriel and their folk would turn eastward, and so pass by the Redhorn Gate and down the Dimrill Stair to the Silverlode and to their own country. They had journeyed thus far by the west-ways, for they had much to speak of with Elrond and with Gandalf, and here they lingered still in converse with their friends. Often long after the hobbits were wrapped in sleep they would sit together under the stars, recalling the ages that were gone and all their joys and labours in the world, or holding council, concerning the days to come. If any wanderer had chanced to pass, little would he have seen or heard, and it would have seemed to him only that he saw grey figures, carved in stone, memorials of forgotten things now lost in unpeopled lands. For they did not move or speak with mouth, looking from mind to mind; and only their shining eyes stirred and kindled as their thoughts went to and fro.

147 posted on 12/19/2002 12:59:28 PM PST by ecurbh
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To: k2blader
It roughly followed the description in the book of the battle between them. There is a lot left to the imagination here!
'Then tell us what you will, and time allows!' said Gimli. 'Come, Gandalf, tell us how you fared with the Balrog!'

'Name him not!' said Gandalf, and for a moment it seemed that a cloud of pain passed over his face, and he sat silent, looking old as death. 'Long time I fell,' he said at last, slowly, as if thinking back with difficulty. 'Long I fell, and he fell with me. His fire was about me. I was burned. Then we plunged into the deep water and all was dark. Cold it was as the tide of death: almost it froze my heart.'

'Deep is the abyss that is spanned by Durin's Bridge, and none has measured it,' said Gimli.

'Yet it has a bottom, beyond light and knowledge,' said Gandalf. 'Thither I came at last, to the uttermost foundations of stone. He was with me still. His fire was quenched, but now he was a thing of slime, stronger than a strangling snake.

'We fought far under the living earth, where time is not counted. Ever he clutched me, and ever I hewed him, till at last he fled into dark tunnels. They were not made by Durin's folk, Gimli son of Glóin. Far, far below the deepest delving of the Dwarves, the world is gnawed by nameless things. Even Sauron knows them not. They are older than he. Now I have walked there, but I will bring no report to darken the light of day. In that despair my enemy was my only hope, and I pursued him, clutching at his heel. Thus he brought me back at last to the secret ways of Khazad-dûm: too well he knew them all. Ever up now we went, until we came to the Endless Stair.'

'Long has that been lost,' said Gimli. 'Many have said that it was never made save in legend, but others say that it was destroyed.'

'It was made, and it had not been destroyed,' said Gandalf. 'From the lowest dungeon to the highest peak it climbed. ascending in unbroken spiral in many thousand steps, until it issued at last in Durin's Tower carved in the living rock of Zirak-zigil, the pinnacle of the Silvertine.

'There upon Celebdil was a lonely window in the snow, and before it lay a narrow space, a dizzy eyrie above the mists of the world. The sun shone fiercely there, but all below was wrapped in cloud. Out he sprang, and even as I came behind, he burst into new flame. There was none to see, or perhaps in after ages songs would still be sung of the Battle of the Peak.' Suddenly Gandalf laughed. 'But what would they say in song? Those that looked up from afar thought that the mountain was crowned with storm. Thunder they heard, and lightning, they said, smote upon Celebdil, and leaped back broken into tongues of fire. Is not that enough? A great smoke rose about us, vapour and steam. Ice fell like rain. I threw down my enemy, and he fell from the high place and broke the mountain-side where he smote it in his ruin. Then darkness took me; and I strayed out of thought and time, and I wandered far on roads that I will not tell.

'Naked I was sent back – for a brief time, until my task is done. And naked I lay upon the mountain-top. The tower behind was crumbled into dust, the window gone; the ruined stair was choked with burned and broken stone. I was alone, forgotten, without escape upon the hard horn of the world. There I lay staring upward, while the stars wheeled over, and each day was as long as a life-age of the earth. Faint to my ears came the gathered rumour of all lands: the springing and the dying, the song and the weeping, and the slow everlasting groan of overburdened stone. And so at the last Gwaihir the Windlord found me again, and he took me up and bore me away.


148 posted on 12/19/2002 1:00:35 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
I hope so too, I dearly want that line where he says if he found the ring by the side of the road he would still not pick it up in there somewhere. It is a very defining line. Boromir is 100% warrior, but Faramir is both warrior and leader and needs to display his virtures before he wins the heart of his bride-to-be.
149 posted on 12/19/2002 1:02:04 PM PST by Grig
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To: anka
I'll side with you. Wormtongue did not want to destroy the Rohan people - he wanted to rule them with Eowyn as his queen (willing or not). I can only assume he saw all his hopes dashed at that moment and had nothing left to claim as his own.

150 posted on 12/19/2002 1:09:30 PM PST by FormerRep
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To: HairOfTheDog
Thank you for the excerpt!

I hadn't read that part of the book yet and was curious about how well the scene matched Tolkien's vision. The text sure helps to fill the gaps. :)
151 posted on 12/19/2002 1:10:09 PM PST by k2blader
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To: Grig; Anitius Severinus Boethius
I actually heard Phillippa Boyens (one of the writers) quoted on the subject of Faramir... Her second point is a good one, and explains their rationale for changing him the way they did... for good or ill!

My good friend Matthew went to the NYC premiere and had a personal chat with screenwriter Philippa Boyens afterward. He had the chance to talk with her about the intense changes to Faramir. According to his report, Philippa "had some interesting things to say on the above -- basically saying that Faramir's character is completely static in the books, and thus wouldn't translate well filmically. She wanted to extend his character to give him more of a journey, and also seemed to imply that it would seem incongruous were Faramir immediately sea-green incorruptible; whereas all other Men in the film (even Aragorn) definitely have to wrestle with their conscience to a greater or lesser extent."

Now this makes some sense to me. Perhaps this harsher Faramir will have the opportunity to grow and change during the third film. Perhaps he will show some of the charity and wisdom that makes Éowyn fall in love with him. So again I am reminded that this is a very different medium. It is not a novel, so it cannot succeed where a novel would have. It is ill-advised to judge a movie adaptation such as this as one would judge a book. They are just horses of different colors.

Article here: GreenBooks.TheOneRing.net™ | Out on a Limb | Movie Review - The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers


152 posted on 12/19/2002 1:15:35 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I liked "You look terrible!"

Priceless. And the smiles Aragorn and Legolas gave each other looked so genuine and pure, it was a pleasure to watch. Hollywood's signs of affection between men are usually so full of innuendoes that it was like a breath of fresh air to witness what looked like genuine male friendship.

And I'm glad you liked Faramir. I did too and actually understood why Jackson had to do it: if you cut Shelob, Frodo and Sam's adventures in the second part wouldn't be very exciting except for the presence of Gollum, and would turn Frodo into a minor character in Jackson's TTT.

153 posted on 12/19/2002 1:35:34 PM PST by Elenya
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To: Elenya
I just like that they all smiled more in this one than in FoTR... (We got a couple of smiles out of Legolas in the Extended Edition) There were light moments in the books, and I didn't notice the lack of smiles until they put some in.

It is interesting that they seemed to smile and joke more in TTT, given the darker turns in the story. Perhaps that is PJ's way of not making it so bleak it isn't good entertainment anymore.
154 posted on 12/19/2002 1:44:13 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Perhaps that is PJ's way of not making it so bleak it isn't good entertainment anymore.

Agreed. PJ made the right choice. It would've been too dark and unbearable otherwise. Comic relief was certainly needed.

BTW, I thought Aragorn's smiles were VERY cute too. (I know, I know, he's a liberal airhead. But he's gorgeous nonetheless....;o)

155 posted on 12/19/2002 1:52:23 PM PST by Elenya
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To: Portnoy
I only vaguely knew of the Tolkein stories (having seen the cartoon versions and heard about them from friends) but so far, these are magnificent.

I told my son that it was odd: after 3 hours, I wanted 3 more hours, NOW, to finish the story! I do think that a little careful editing could have made this story more concise without losing one whit of its impact, but, hey, it's great as is, too.

156 posted on 12/19/2002 2:05:42 PM PST by LS
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To: Elenya
True enough... Aragorn is the man. If there wasn't so much competition for Aragorn, I would fall for him... But that and my humble nature makes me fall rather for Frodo. I think Elijah Wood is a doll, though he is so young I should be arrested for thinking it.

I am pretty captivated by Legolas as well, more and more all the time! He just rocks every scene he is in, does he not?

A girl has a lot of reason to go see these films... and the curmudgeons here think we go to see Arwen? - Jeepers...
157 posted on 12/19/2002 2:07:50 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Last night there were a number of cheers and swoons when Haldor showed up at Helms Deep. :)
158 posted on 12/19/2002 2:10:21 PM PST by Liberal Classic
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To: HairOfTheDog
and the curmudgeons here think we go to see Arwen? - Jeepers...

ROTFL!

Actually, I felt sorry for them: Arwen made a cameo appearance and I thought we'd see more of Eowyn. I guess they'll have to wait for ROTK... And I find Legolas more and more endearing every time. His mounting of the horse!!!! Same with Frodo. I think Wood was Frodo in another life, LOL.

Hair, We're the lucky ones...

159 posted on 12/19/2002 2:13:40 PM PST by Elenya
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To: Liberal Classic
Really? - For Haldir? - All of us 'round here thought he was horribly snooty in FoTR... I have to admit, his clumsy reaction when Aragorn greeted him humanized him a little, and it was sad to see him go down.
160 posted on 12/19/2002 2:13:40 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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