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West Coast awaits next big storm, worries over slides, avalanches
Sac Bee ^ | 12/17/02 | Anna Oberthur

Posted on 12/17/2002 8:42:22 PM PST by NormsRevenge

Edited on 04/12/2004 5:47:05 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Carlsbad Detective Sgt. Bob Wick, left, looks for evidence as tow truck driver Rusty Russell helps remove a car from the Auga Hedionda Creek in Carlsbad early Tuesday. Three women died and two were injured trying to cross the swollen creek Monday night after heavy rains.


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TOPICS: Front Page News; US: California
KEYWORDS: avalanches; hillslides; mudslides; slides; storms
Yikes!!!
1 posted on 12/17/2002 8:42:22 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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3 drown when car overturns in rain-swollen Carlsbad creek

By DAISY NGUYEN, Associated Press Writer
Published 4:45 p.m. PST Tuesday, December 17, 2002

CARLSBAD, Calif.(AP) - Five women who attempted to drive across a rain-swollen creek had their car swept downstream and upturned, causing three of them to drown as a Pacific storm pounded coastal Southern California.

The women apparently were driving toward a migrant workers' camp in the hills of eastern Carlsbad, north of San Diego, late Monday.

As the women drove their 1991 Mazda across Agua Hedionda Creek, the car stalled, Carlsbad Fire Battalion Chief Tom Dana said. The women opened their doors, causing the car to flood. It flipped upside down and was swept 50 feet downstream before becoming lodged on rocks.

Two women managed to climb out and on top of the upturned vehicle, where they were rescued by firefighters. The bodies of the other three women were found in the car.

The San Diego County Medical Examiner's Office identified the victims as: Rosa Maria Marcos Santos, 40; Guillermina Hernandez Ramos, 21; and Maria Isabel Melquides Mora, 24.

They lived in Vista, according to the Medical Examiner's Office. The Mexican Consulate in San Diego said it was trying to determine whether any of the women were originally from Mexico.

The two surviving women - Maria Garcia, 29, and Lucia Gomez, 25 - were treated at a hospital and released.

At the Medical Examiner's Office, two sisters and a cousin of the victims arrived to identify the dead. As they went into an office to view photos, their sobs and cries could be heard from the lobby.

Afterward, the women huddled together and walked quickly to a waiting truck without speaking to reporters.

Under clearing skies Tuesday, Agua Hedionda Creek returned to normal levels and vehicles drove across the bridge that the women had attempted to cross.

Three plastic-wrapped bouquets of daisies and sunflowers sat on a rock next to the flowing stream.

The undeveloped area of fields and hills sits at the edge of a new housing tract and near a set of apartments. Migrant workers live in plywood sheds next to fields where flowers are grown.

One man who declined to give his name said in Spanish that the women may have been "party girls," or prostitutes, who intended to visit workers at a packing shed where the men often gather. "But that's just my guess," he said.

Carlsbad police said they had no information on why the women were heading to the area.

"I think they're just unfortunately victims who went through the wrong place at the wrong time," Lt. Don Rawson said.

Tim Barlow, who owns a ranch next to the creek, rode a tractor collecting hay for his horses Tuesday near the scene of the accident.

"I don't know why they were so determined to get to wherever they needed to be, but they should have known that conditions were dangerous," he said. "They should have waited."

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Associated Press writer Michelle Morgante in San Diego contributed to this story.


2 posted on 12/17/2002 8:45:04 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
It's so cold here in the valley that I wouldn't be surpised if it snows at some point tonight. We had a short session of hail this afternoon and lots of downpours.
3 posted on 12/17/2002 8:48:57 PM PST by notpoliticallycorewrecked
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked
We're looking at snow probably down to 1,000 feet and lower around the Bay Area Thursday into Friday. I currently read 4.2 inches in the old rain guage, haven;t seen hail here yet this go around, but the thunder and lightning was pretty impressive last week-end.

Lots of cold air is on its way with a pretty good feed of moisture from the Pacific. It's gonna be a wild, wet winter.. Good for fish, ducks and tow truck drivers.
4 posted on 12/17/2002 8:54:35 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
Glad to hear that Linda Lovelace is still providing social services.
5 posted on 12/17/2002 8:57:02 PM PST by Founding Father
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To: NormsRevenge
We got some good downpours today, here in Orange county, but all clear later this afternoon with a good breeze out of the Northwest!
6 posted on 12/17/2002 9:15:13 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: NormsRevenge
Thank God for rain!!!!
7 posted on 12/17/2002 9:25:56 PM PST by manx
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To: manx
Californians are the most screwed up people in the world.


How the Typical Californian responds to...

Mudslides, Hey no problem
Earthquakes, No Big deal
Smog, The more the merrier
Police Chases, Cool there is someone on TV
Drive by shootings, Whoopie doo.
Power outages - Oh well what can you do


Tobacco - Oooh, oooh a cigarette!! Oh my god, Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The whole state is in need of a serious reality check.
8 posted on 12/17/2002 9:41:14 PM PST by qam1
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To: NormsRevenge
What? No locusts?
9 posted on 12/17/2002 9:45:34 PM PST by dead
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To: NormsRevenge
It's been windy & rainy in Western Oregon the past several days. The smaller coastal rivers are starting to flood.

This week it is getting cooler and the snow level is dropping. Good thing, because we need the snow, ski areas are late getting open for the season and the snowpack is our summer water (and hydropower) supply.

It's still stormy & windy though, but the western part of the state got a pretty nasty blow last winter and what was left standing is pretty solid. As for the coast, 100 MPH gusts are nothing. California should have built for them too.

Dave in Eugene
10 posted on 12/17/2002 10:03:15 PM PST by Clinging Bitterly
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To: dead
What? No locusts?

No none of those, but I can tell you, it got down to 64 degrees today, and I just hope this cold snap don't last. I've hadenuf!

11 posted on 12/17/2002 10:09:49 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: qam1
Yeah yeah, I can deal with all that, it's this freaking cold weather I hate. We are actually into the mid 50s tonight.
12 posted on 12/17/2002 10:12:41 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: qam1
How the Typical Californian responds to...

...

Power outages - Oh well what can you do

Gang violence, ho hum
Armed robbery, nothing to see here, move along
Out of control wild fires, "do you smell something burning?"
High speed police chases on the freeway, "turn on the TV, dude"

Tobacco - Oooh, oooh a cigarette!! Oh my god, Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Too true, unfortunately.

13 posted on 12/18/2002 12:16:57 AM PST by altair
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To: NormsRevenge; mhking
As the women drove their 1991 Mazda across Agua Hedionda Creek, the car stalled, Carlsbad Fire Battalion Chief Tom Dana said. The women opened their doors, causing the car to flood. It flipped upside down and was swept 50 feet downstream before becoming lodged on rocks.

People on 'ludes should not drive, dude.

14 posted on 12/18/2002 12:19:02 AM PST by altair
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