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AMBROSE EVANS-PRITCHARD: Alarm at 'EU Pentagon' plan
The Daily Telegraph ^ | December 17, 2002 | Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Posted on 12/16/2002 4:40:07 PM PST by MadIvan

The European Union is drawing up plans for a "Euro-Pentagon" in Brussels commanded by a defence chief able to launch military operations anywhere in the world.

The proposals call for an EU defence secretary with responsibility for running operations.

Yes the two Boy Scouts with a slingshot will go to Bosnia, then to Iraq, and then to Lebanon, all before tea time! - Ivan

His staff would be able to draw on an autonomous EU command and control nexus and an intelligence agency with satellite capability.

They are to be published today by the defence working group of the Convention on the Future of Europe. They will form the basis of the military section in the EU's draft constitution next June.

The group was chaired by the French commissioner Michel Barnier, who has been accused of playing down contributions from those opposed to a European army.

British objections appear to have been ignored in the final draft, though footnotes allude to intense disagreements among the group's members.

The document says the world has changed so dramatically since September 11, 2001, that national defence is "no longer sufficient".

The plans go far beyond the EU's 60,000-man rapid reaction force, which is to take on its first peacekeeping mission in the Balkans early next year.

The defence secretary - a beefed-up version of the current post of high representative held by Javier Solana of Spain - would report to EU defence ministers but would have powers to take "necessary decisions" in an emergency.

The force would have a broad mandate to "dispel hostility", a term that seems to open the door to much wider warfare than the existing menu of humanitarian tasks.

This military structure would be backed by a European Arms and Strategic Research Agency that could harness the EU's industrial might for future military needs. An EU military academy was also floated as a possibility.

The proposals are causing deep concern to the EU's four non-Nato neutral states - Austria, Sweden, Finland, and Ireland - and were greeted with alarm yesterday by the Tories.

Geoffrey Van Orden, MEP, the Tory defence spokesman in Brussels, said: "If this isn't an EU army then I don't know what it is. Mr Blair should call a halt to this before it is too late."


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: badjoke; eu; pentagon
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The only EU state with a substantial and modern military is Britain. I can't see us fighting and dying for some Belgian general.

Louis Michel, the Belgian Foreign Minister, said that such a plan should be launched even if it had no grounding in reality. Apparently that's the case.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 12/16/2002 4:40:07 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: Delmarksman; Sparta; Toirdhealbheach Beucail; TopQuark; TexKat; Iowa Granny; vbmoneyspender; ...
Bump!
2 posted on 12/16/2002 4:40:19 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
There are several countries in Europe which I wouldn't mind watching spend themselves into oblivion.

Funding an additional, new EU defense force on top of their NATO contributions, UN contributions, and their own national defense contributions (on top of their already-bloated social spending) seems like the ideal way to achieve my goal, too...

3 posted on 12/16/2002 4:45:12 PM PST by Southack
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To: MadIvan; Poohbah
They're off their chumps.
4 posted on 12/16/2002 4:46:45 PM PST by dighton
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To: MadIvan
In the 'revamp' referendum for Ireland the Ministers were promising that NO Irish people be drafted into an EU 'Rapid Defense' strategy. Has this suddenly changed? (Surprise! Surprise!)
6 posted on 12/16/2002 4:49:13 PM PST by Happygal
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To: MadIvan
"...military operations anywhere in the world."

Their idea of military ops is to show up on the border and think nasty thoughts about the "enemy"! Then ... surrender.

7 posted on 12/16/2002 4:50:21 PM PST by lawdude
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We should starve the EU of money, intelligence and most importantly forces in NATO (which no longer has a mission-so why should it exist?). Let them throw money at their boondogle. It becomes increasingly clear with the passage of time that we have less and less in commoon with the EU. They want to go the route of socialism. We are not so inclined.

Its time we stopped bankrolling them.
8 posted on 12/16/2002 4:50:58 PM PST by OldCorps
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To: Happygal
In the 'revamp' referendum for Ireland the Ministers were promising that NO Irish people be drafted into an EU 'Rapid Defense' strategy. Has this suddenly changed? (Surprise! Surprise!)

Apparently so, darling. Isn't it wonderful, our lads get to go fight and die, led by French and Luxembourgish generals?

Love, Ivan

9 posted on 12/16/2002 4:51:03 PM PST by MadIvan
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Louis Michel, the Belgian Foreign Minister, said that such a plan should be launched even if it had no grounding in reality.

In other words, it's a perfect match for EU economic policies, Ivan.

10 posted on 12/16/2002 4:51:30 PM PST by The Iguana
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,,, no problem here at all. The orders will be given in German and the awaited action will rest on the French. Britain will finance it all and auditing will be the responsibility of the Italians. Don't pass go, don't collect anything.
11 posted on 12/16/2002 4:53:19 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: dighton
They're off their chumps.

Look, if you intend by that utilization of an obscure colloquiallism to imply that their sanity is not up to scratch, or indeed to deny the semi-existence of their little chum Eric the Half-Bee, I shall have to ask you to listen to this!

Take it away, Eric the orchestra leader!.......

12 posted on 12/16/2002 4:53:30 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
Half a bee is ipso facto half not a bee...

Regards, Ivan

13 posted on 12/16/2002 4:54:31 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Only thing Luxembourg was ever good for was that old pirate radio station! *L*
14 posted on 12/16/2002 5:02:53 PM PST by Happygal
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Only thing Luxembourg was ever good for was that old pirate radio station! *L*

And banking secrecy laws, darling. ;)

Love, Ivan

15 posted on 12/16/2002 5:03:49 PM PST by MadIvan
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And banking secrecy laws, darling. ;)

I don't have enough money (yet *L*) to know of such things. *L* I did, however, tune into Radio Luxembourg...me being the teenage rebel that I was *L* (Long time ago now..me being 30 and all *L*)

16 posted on 12/16/2002 5:08:44 PM PST by Happygal
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I don't have enough money (yet *L*) to know of such things. *L* I did, however, tune into Radio Luxembourg...me being the teenage rebel that I was *L* (Long time ago now..me being 30 and all *L*)

Ah, sweet darling, you're the young one - I'm the old man. ;)

Love, Ivan

17 posted on 12/16/2002 5:10:56 PM PST by MadIvan
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The force would have a broad mandate to "dispel hostility", a term that seems to open the door to much wider warfare than the existing menu of humanitarian tasks.

I don't know about that. In euroweenie talk, "dispelling hostility" might mean handing out bumper stickers reading "War is mean!".

18 posted on 12/16/2002 5:12:19 PM PST by Dog Gone
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*LOL*...OK 'DAD' I promise to eat my greens..and my asparagus! *L*
19 posted on 12/16/2002 5:13:12 PM PST by Happygal
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I don't know about that. In euroweenie talk, "dispelling hostility" might mean handing out bumper stickers reading "War is mean!".

Or sending therapists from their socialist health care systems to ask the Palestinians to talk about their feelings.

Perhaps I'm a base and crude Anglo-Saxon, but first instinct is to just shoot the bastards.

Regards, Ivan

20 posted on 12/16/2002 5:14:15 PM PST by MadIvan
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