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Suspect in car theft is shot in wild chase
Seattle PI ^ | 16 DEC 02 | Hector Castro

Posted on 12/16/2002 11:06:50 AM PST by tomakaze

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Monday, December 16, 2002

Suspect in car theft is shot in wild chase
Vehicle's owner held; auto plunges through house's wooden fence

By HECTOR CASTRO
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

TACOMA -- The owner of a stolen car raced after the vehicle late Saturday in a brief but wild chase that ended with the suspect shot in the head and the car on its side after smashing through a fence.

"We heard it," said Arlie Nordlund, the homeowner whose fence was splintered apart by the stolen car. "If we had been asleep, we would have heard it."

  End of the chase
  Zoom Melina Mara / P-I
  Splintered boards mark the spot where a stolen car plunged through a fence in Tacoma after the car's owner gave chase. The suspect was shot and was in Tacoma General Hospital in critical condition.

The suspected car thief, an unidentified male between 15 and 20 years old, was in critical condition at Tacoma General Hospital.

Tacoma police arrested the owner of the stolen car and booked him into the Pierce County Jail on suspicion of first-degree assault.

"He put a lot of people at risk by firing his gun," police spokesman Jim Mattheis said, adding that if the suspect dies, the charges against the car owner could change.

The case, he said, will be reviewed by the Pierce County Prosecutor's Office, which will determine what charges the car owner ultimately faces. An arraignment for the 33-year-old man was scheduled for today.

The chase and shooting began with a call to 911 about 10:30 p.m., when someone reported a stolen car in the 7000 block of South I Street in south Tacoma.

Then, just moments later, there was a second call to 911 reporting an accident at the corner of South 72nd Street and South J Street just a few blocks from the earlier report, Mattheis said.

The owner of the stolen car, a 1985 Pontiac Grand Prix, told police he looked out to see his car being driven away. He grabbed a small handgun and hopped into an Oldsmobile Cutlass to chase after his car and the person taking it.

Witnesses told police the car owner caught up to his stolen car, pulled alongside it and fired three to four times.

Nordlund said he and his wife had just gotten off the computer when they heard those shots.

"And a few seconds later, just a great, big crash," he said. "I was going to go out there and see what was going on, but my wife said, 'Don't go out there; they're shooting.' "

Nordlund called 911 and did go out to investigate.

The stolen car had crashed through Nordlund's wooden fence, missing a bus-stop sign and a large stump with a birdhouse in the yard.

The car tore through Nordlund's side fence, smashing into a neighbor's Chevrolet Corsica before rolling onto the driver's side, resting against the neighbor's home.

The impact folded the hood of the Corsica up to the windshield and left debris strewn in the front yard of Nordlund's neighbor. Those residents are out of town, he said, and they had recently bought the now-wrecked car.

Of the people who had gathered around the wreck, one man stepped up to Nordlund and said, "That's my car. It just got stolen," Nordlund said.

Peering into the car, Nordlund saw a young man dressed all in red. The man was not moving and gave no sign of life.

The owner of the car then disappeared.

Mattheis said the car owner apparently returned to his home, where police contacted him, then arrested him.

"He's been cooperative," Mattheis said.

The chase and gunfire put a lot of people at risk, he said, including pedestrians and other motorists on the busy street. The stolen car itself crossed opposing lanes of traffic before crashing.

"Who knows, he could have crashed into this home," Mattheis said, standing beside Nordlund's wrecked fence.

Nordlund said he and his wife were less than 40 feet from where the car came flying through his yard.

But it isn't the first time a stolen vehicle has met Nordlund's front yard.

Last February, someone stole a truck nearby. The owner hopped in and was wrestling with the thief for control. The ensuing crash took out a section of Nordlund's fence. "We know we're lucky," Nordlund said.

P-I reporter Hector Castro can be reached at 206-448-8126 or hectorcastro@seattlepi.com

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: cartheft; crime
Give the guy a medal.
Given the location and agenda of the likely prosecutor in this, and the likely witchhunt/lynchmob that's gonna start up over this once king5 or whoever starts flooding the airwaves with video of the poor widdle theif's mamma bawling about "how her innocent baby was done wrong" If I'm a juror, the victim (of the theft) walks.
1 posted on 12/16/2002 11:06:50 AM PST by tomakaze
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To: tomakaze
Cripes. Usually, the cops let the car thieves skate.

How many car thefts do you think would happen if it became quite possible to die during the commission of the crime?
2 posted on 12/16/2002 11:12:26 AM PST by Darksheare
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To: Darksheare
RE:How many car thefts do you think would happen if it became quite possible to die during the commission of the crime?
 
I'm geussing a lot less. lol.
3 posted on 12/16/2002 11:13:35 AM PST by tomakaze
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To: tomakaze
argh...guessing
4 posted on 12/16/2002 11:14:01 AM PST by tomakaze
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To: tomakaze
If I'm a juror, the victim (of the theft) walks.

I could not possibly agree more. Well said!

5 posted on 12/16/2002 11:15:31 AM PST by neutrino
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To: tomakaze
Hmm...

I had an accident one night. Early in the morning about 3am, and someone rearends me at the stop sign. I pull the car over and put on my hazards (I was blocking a small road if I had just sat there) and the car that hit me went around me and took off. I immediately give chase and have my passenger dial 911. The operator told us repeatedly to not chase the car, so I stopped not knowing any better (I could not get close enough to read the license plate) and gave them a description of the car and the direction that they were heading.

The cops that met me at a supermarket said they saw a car fitting the description of the car that hit me on the way to meet me, and didn't stop them! So then I got to pay the deductable, insurance took up the rest, and the person that performed a hit and run gets away free. Never again will I let someone get away from the scene of a crime involving me.
6 posted on 12/16/2002 11:22:47 AM PST by anobjectivist
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To: tomakaze
I couldn't believe the man on the street interviews last night on this. Said "Why do this over an old car?" (hey its HIS car) and "They should let the cops find the car." Nevermind that the cops never find the cars and T-town is near #1 in car thefts.
It seems like the only legal recourse for this guy is if the theif had a gun on him.
7 posted on 12/16/2002 11:31:32 AM PST by lelio
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To: tomakaze
Would probably trample the rights of the theif to ply his trade.
(Actually used in a certain backwater state as the reason for charging a woman for shooting her rapist. She stopped him from plying his trade. Her attacker's 'estate' sued her.)
8 posted on 12/16/2002 11:32:40 AM PST by Darksheare
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To: tomakaze
Hey, I'm generally in favor of self-defense, and the right to bear arms, but I can't personally see that chasing some guy through the streets and then shooting at him in a moving car, from a moving car, is a very advisable course of action. Some of the chases the police get involved in are bad enough, and their trained to do, and paid for doing, this type of stuff.

I mean, it's totally understandable that a guy would be angry and want his car back, and want justice for the thief, but does that give him the right to endanger the lives of others in pursuit of the thief?
9 posted on 12/16/2002 11:39:47 AM PST by -YYZ-
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To: tomakaze
"Peering into the car, Nordlund saw a young man dressed all in red."..

Of course they charged the shooter. He shot Santa Claus.

10 posted on 12/16/2002 12:17:18 PM PST by holyscroller
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To: tomakaze
The owner of the stolen car, a 1985 Pontiac Grand Prix, told police he looked out to see his car being driven away. He grabbed a small handgun and hopped into an Oldsmobile Cutlass to chase after his car and the person taking it.

'85 Grand Prix.....Olds Cutlass......

These are cars coveted by young men who view them as status symbols.............Not much intelligence here.

11 posted on 12/16/2002 1:53:15 PM PST by Tom Bombadil
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To: Tom Bombadil
RE:These are cars coveted by young men who view them as status symbols.............Not much intelligence here.
 
is that a value judgement on the theif or the owner?
12 posted on 12/16/2002 2:05:29 PM PST by tomakaze
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To: tomakaze
Tacoma police arrested the owner of the stolen car and booked him into the Pierce County Jail on suspicion of first-degree assault What a bass akwards state. All the more reason to stay the hell away from the Pacific NutWest.
13 posted on 12/16/2002 2:09:43 PM PST by AxelPaulsenJr
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To: tomakaze
Strikes me that this may have more to do with a "gang " than with any sort of car theft. With no more information than what has been posted I'll draw this: both young men are ethinic minorities; both young men are from economicly depressed areas of Tacoma; both young men have criminal records; both young men have been or are currently involved in some sort of gang activity. My regrets if I'm proven wrong, but I've seen alot of gang shootings discribed just like this by police to downplay gang activity. So, yea, give the guy a medal, and he can wear it in prison...
14 posted on 12/16/2002 3:03:22 PM PST by cavtrooper21
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To: cavtrooper21
Most probable. Dressed entirely in red means he was probably in a local branch of the Bloods. Remedial media 101 - if no race is given in the description of a criminal, he's probably black. Deducing further, if the owner of the car had been white, that would have been a highly newsworthy item (white shoots black). However, here also no race is given. Reasonable deduction #2 - the car owner is also black.
15 posted on 12/16/2002 8:05:33 PM PST by TheMole
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To: tomakaze
Both have the same problem.

Think about it. One steals the car and the other one chases him down and shoots him cowboy style. I remember these two guys. They both tried to date my daughter with their status symbols.

sorry if I sound a little cynical.

16 posted on 12/17/2002 1:46:29 PM PST by Tom Bombadil
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To: tomakaze

Splintered boards mark the spot where a stolen car plunged through a fence in Tacoma after the car's owner gave chase. The suspect was shot and later died at Tacoma General Hospital. (December 16, 2002)

Photo Credit: Melina Mara/Seattle Post-Intelligencer

17 posted on 12/17/2002 1:56:36 PM PST by csvset
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To: cavtrooper21
This is being discussed on AM-570 (Kirby Wilbur show).

Mr. James (owner of the stolen car) has never been arrested, is a Navy vet, has four children, works at a home for the disabled, and has had four previous cars stolen and destroyed by the thieves.

He's still sitting in jail facing charges. I say he deserves a medal.

18 posted on 12/17/2002 6:08:02 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: tomakaze
It would have been a lot better if the police would have ensued him in a high speed chase that might have caused the driver to run through an intersection, instead of a fence, and killed some innocent family on their way back from McDonalds. (/sarcasm)

If this is the precedent they set (charging him for endangering the lives of the innocent), then they will never be allowed to chase cars, throw spike strips, or spray Mace in a crowded, public place again.

19 posted on 12/17/2002 6:19:47 PM PST by rodeocowboy
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I just moved from an extremely rural area (the upper peninsula of Michigan) to metro Detroit, and my insurance rates have doubled. When I asked if the HUGE rate hike was because of the greater danger of being in an accident because of the heavier traffic, every insurance agent I talked to said that it was almost soley because metro Detroit has such a high car theft rate. It's almost worth me getting a security guard to watch my vehical if it would bring my insurance down.
20 posted on 12/17/2002 6:23:55 PM PST by rodeocowboy
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