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It's All Over Representatives are Screwing Americans
none ^ | 11/15/02 | FlyingA

Posted on 12/16/2002 7:06:21 AM PST by FlyingA

Honorable Representative Tom Davis,

I have just finished reading the article http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20021213S0035 and as an unemployed IT consultant and US CITIZEN, I find the idea stupid and unpatriotic. First, training foreigners on the internals of our IT infrastructure is a disaster in the making. Second, I find it difficult to believe that it will "save" that much, if any, money - the employment of CITIZENS to do the work keeps the money in the USA and adds to the growth of OUR economy, not that of India or China. Finally, at a time when the unemployment rate for IT and telecom people is at record levels, I find this action to be extremely unpatriotic.

If you really want to save money, why don't you outsource the war on terror and Iraq, to India and China. I'm sure that would save the taxpayers a lot of hardship and grief, not to mention money - funerals aren't cheap. Maybe you can save even more money by importing some people to replace those overpaid policeman and fireman - I'm sure the state and local governments would appreciate the help.

Let's be honest, all you're doing is lining the pockets of any contractor will to move government contracted work to offshore sweatshops. Short-term gain for you and your bosses, with long-term cost and hardship to the American people.

"A man who is good enough to shed his blood for his country is good enough to be given a square deal afterwards. More than that no man is entitled to, and less than that no man shall have." •Theodore Roosevelt Gonna forward something to my reps, but I'm waiting a few more days for a response from my last nasty-gram.


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To: D. Miles
Same here Dmiles this happened to me also. And it's not just Dell. I had the same experience with HP.
Boy if India and Pakistan ever go at it, These American Outsources companies are in big trouble.

41 posted on 12/16/2002 9:29:20 AM PST by FlyingA
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To: RightOnline
What's the single largest cost to ANY employer??


Government regulation and taxes...
42 posted on 12/16/2002 9:29:23 AM PST by Axenolith
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To: steve50
steve sounds like a mother board problem. What Op sys you running. If it's NT or 2000 Try doing a Repair of the OS.

43 posted on 12/16/2002 9:33:11 AM PST by FlyingA
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To: RaceBannon
Stop & Shop? IS there an Email adress for the HR Department?
44 posted on 12/16/2002 9:34:11 AM PST by FlyingA
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To: D. Miles
Good luck with any manufacturer on that one
45 posted on 12/16/2002 9:40:30 AM PST by harpseal
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To: FlyingA
I was afraid of that. Old W98 on a Asus P2B, maybe my kid got in the BIOS on me. Since it reloads fine once I come out of safe mode it's got me scratching my head. Thanks Flying, I'll buy ya a beer or two.
46 posted on 12/16/2002 9:56:12 AM PST by steve50
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To: FlyingA
Do you know what the job title with the best outlook for the next 10 years is? You guessed it. Computer Engineer. #1

This is all part of the on-going Big Employer scam that went like this 2 years ago:
1) "There is a drastic shortage of Engineers, Programmers, etc."
2) "We cannot possibly find enough technical Americans."
3) "We must import 390,000 more H-1B technical workers."
4) Congress falls in line; 390,000 H-1Bs are imported; 390,000 Americans lose their jobs.

Notice it is always technical workers ... I like your idea about out-sourcing the war on terror and the war on drugs.

47 posted on 12/16/2002 10:12:11 AM PST by bimbo
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To: FlyingA
HE Signed it?

And he wants to Run Again

Bush is raising a LOT of labor discontent among America's non-government workers. This discontent will absolutely overwhelm the current approval ratings, and is an issue being dropped squarely into the Democrats' laps.

48 posted on 12/16/2002 10:30:08 AM PST by bimbo
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To: Bogolyubski
there's not much that can be done about all the outsourcing - we can thank the "free traders" for that.

Let's get people ready for the good jobs of today, not the good jobs of yesterday. And the country will be just fine if we do that ;)

It's wasteful and inefficient. And in exactly the same manner, it's wasteful and inefficient to try to prop up things like textiles - let's concentrate on the things we do better than everyone else, rather than trying to race for the bottom by competing with the Indonesians to see who can make the cheapest tennis shoe or tech work. Even if you "win", what's it worth? Not much.

49 posted on 12/16/2002 10:58:39 AM PST by PuNcH
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To: steve50
Welcome Steve. If yoou need any other Questions of Help
just Email me. (Dont' call Dell) No Cost

FlyingA
50 posted on 12/16/2002 11:33:56 AM PST by FlyingA
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To: FlyingA
Stop & Shop? IS there an Email adress for the HR Department?

Why? Are you going to tell them I am a good guy or a bad guy? :)

51 posted on 12/16/2002 1:13:12 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: Bogolyubski
Sorry on my last post I meant to put a sarcasm tag but then my internet connection went down until now.
52 posted on 12/16/2002 2:12:55 PM PST by PuNcH
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To: FlyingA
It's worse:
53 posted on 12/16/2002 2:35:44 PM PST by flamefront
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To: PuNcH
Thanks for the free-trader cliche. We aren't talking about smokestack industry jobs here but about high-tech jobs. About ten years ago, when there was still some opposition to importing slave-labor goods from Chinese prisons, the standard free-trader argument was that Americans would all become computer progammers and IT workers. For a few years, that almost seemed to be true - until outfits like Dell and HP discovered that they could outsource the IT work in addition to running the H1B and L1 visa scam.

So, PuNcH, just what is it you would have all the laid off US citizens do for a living - since the only jobs not subject to outsourcing and H1B's appear to be certain public sector jobs - have everyone work for the government? Perhaps they can compete with the illegal aliens your pals at the Wall Street Journal insist on bringing in for minumum-wage jobs sweeping floors or cutting lawns - oops, I forgot: they won't be elligible for free medical care, being merely US Citizens. I suppose outsourcing the military and police will be the ultimate coup - at that point the rule of law (what's left of it) will cease. Welcome to the Transnational Progressive vision of the future - a world with no borders ruled with an iron fist by an unelected, unaccountable elite; a giant slave-labor camp with an enforcement class to keep them under control.

54 posted on 12/16/2002 2:59:43 PM PST by Bogolyubski
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To: PuNcH
Well, looks like I need to offer you an apology for my somewhat snide reply!!!
55 posted on 12/16/2002 3:01:30 PM PST by Bogolyubski
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To: harpseal
Most of America's competitive advantage in the workplace was a result of intensive IT spending that actually boosted productivity of the American worker.

There's only one problem with that thesis: no one's been able to quantify that part of the productivity boost that is attributable to IT spending, and explain how it happened.

56 posted on 12/16/2002 3:04:56 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: RaceBannon
LOL

Looking for Work
QQ
57 posted on 12/16/2002 3:09:57 PM PST by FlyingA
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To: Bogolyubski
Well, looks like I need to offer you an apology for my somewhat snide reply!!!

Hehe, first I forgot to put any indication that I was being sarcastic although it was obviously obnoxious then when I went to post again my connection went down ;)

That post is actually something a "free trader" said to me except I added in the IT stuff. Back when it was still cool to tell us all that we would just get tech jobs I argued that there is no reason why tech jobs couldnt be done cheaper outside the country. Of course the snots just snorted even though there were already examples of it happening. Now the snots just tell us we need to prepare for the "jobs of the future".

58 posted on 12/16/2002 3:24:01 PM PST by PuNcH
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To: RaceBannon
You got mine big guy. Keep on pluggin'
59 posted on 12/16/2002 3:25:33 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: FlyingA
This is where you'd mail a resumé. Perhaps that's the HR address:

The Stop and Shop Supermarket Company
P.O. Box 1942
Boston, MA 02105

60 posted on 12/16/2002 3:29:11 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts
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