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Teen armed with paint sprayer nozzle shot by officer
By Ian Ith and Michael Ko ^

Posted on 12/13/2002 7:37:53 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

The 17-year-old teen shot in the head by a Seattle police officer last night as he ran away from police had been armed only with a gun-shaped commercial paint sprayer nozzle when he robbed a customer at an automated teller machine in Wallingford.

Police leaders this morning said the 31-year-old SWAT officer who pulled the trigger justifiably believed the teen was an armed and dangerous felon who had committed an increasingly violent series of nearly a dozen ATM robberies.

"You've got a situation of escalating, serious, violent confrontations with citizens, and he is caught in the act, fleeing and getting away," Deputy Police Chief Clark Kimerer said. "And he's on his way to a densely populated part of town. I'm not seeing a lot of alternatives in this scenario."

The shooting occurred about 9:20 p.m. near the Bank of America branch at 36th Street North and Stone Way North. The teen was in critical condition this morning at Seattle's Harborview Medical Center.

Police had been staking out the bank because it was one of three banks in Wallingford and Capitol Hill that have been targeted since Halloween by what police believe were the same young robbers. An ATM stick-up had occurred at the Stone Way bank Monday night, police said.

In last night's holdup, officers saw two men approach a man who was using the ATM, police said. One of the young men, wearing a ski mask, grabbed the customer, slammed his face against the wall and stuck what looked like a chrome pistol in the man's back.

The customer "felt there was a weapon at his back and the suspect said he would kill him," said Kimerer. Police moved in immediately and confronted the robber, who ran north on Stone Way.

The robber's accomplice, who was serving as a lookout, ran in a different direction but was captured by police nearby.

The robber was running away as well and clearly running faster than the officers.

"He was winning the race," Kimerer said.

Officer William Geoghagan who has been on the force for about eight years, fired twice, striking the teen in the head. He fell about a block from the bank.

Police found that the robber's "weapon," a silver paint-sprayer nozzle covered with a stocking hat, had been dropped back at the ATM. The suspected accomplice had been carrying an identical spray nozzle, covered in a red stocking hat.

Officers didn't know the guns were fakes as they pursued the young man, and they didn't know he had dropped the phony gun, Kimerer said.

"A fleeing felon who represents a continuing threat to the community may be apprehended by using deadly force," Kimerer said. "What we were dealing with was a violent, predatory criminal who didn't care who his next victim was."

Police said this morning that the young men definitely fit the descriptions of the two robbers who have been sticking up ATM customers.

Police said there may be a third young man involved in some of the robberies, but they didn't have any clear indication that a third suspect participated in the robbery last night.

In the previous ATM holdups, victims told police they were approached from behind by two men and either saw a handgun or felt what they thought was a handgun. The robbers almost typically demanded the customers withdraw 300 dollars to give them.

Before targeting the bank on Stone Way this week, the robbers struck almost exclusively at a Bank of America branch in the 1300 block of East Madison Street on Capitol Hill.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: banglist; fleeingfelon; rhodesia; shotintheback; swat
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To: farmfriend
Better plan. All citizen should have there index fingers dyed international orange so tha police and others will not confuse the digit with a pistol.
21 posted on 12/13/2002 8:21:43 PM PST by oyez
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To: big ern
Obviously, the police officer took careful aim and did not just "spray and pray".

Sounds like the kid took a real shellacking.

Looks like playing with paint sprayers really does cause light-headedness.
22 posted on 12/13/2002 9:31:45 PM PST by Panzerfaust
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To: big ern
"Teen armed with paint sprayer nozzle shot by officer "

How much bias is there in this headline? Man.

How about a truthful headline like:

"Violent Criminal Shot and Apprehended."

The headline makes it sound like some kid was goofing off spray painting his bike and a was shot by a stupid cop who couldn't tell the difference.

23 posted on 12/13/2002 9:38:09 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: big ern
Note to Seattle teens: Don't rob people.
24 posted on 12/13/2002 9:43:10 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: big ern
This happened in Seattle Police Chief "Girley-cowski's" command. He'll probably send an apology and sympathy card to the perp.
25 posted on 12/13/2002 9:51:13 PM PST by holyscroller
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To: Frank_2001
Of course the libs will classify this as the handgun-related death of a child....

After they crucify the officer and trash the department for "encouraging police brutality."

26 posted on 12/13/2002 9:56:58 PM PST by CFC__VRWC
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To: oyez
Yes, I do believe that would be more effective.
27 posted on 12/13/2002 11:52:46 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: Poohbah
I guess this gets classified as "thinning the herd."

Yes.

Darwin never sleeps.

28 posted on 12/14/2002 4:25:19 AM PST by LibKill
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To: big ern
"A fleeing felon who represents a continuing threat to the community may be apprehended by using deadly force"

Looks like all the Law and Order types are out in force. This is an unjustified use of deadly force.

1. The perp is not a felon until convicted by a jury of his peers, as laid out in the U.S. Constitution, Magna Carta and a few other antiquated pieces of paper.

2. The perp was fleeing and therefore not a serious threat to the officer or the robbery victims. 3. Shooting someone in the back is acceptable use of deadly force in war but not for civilian law enforcement. Sorry folks I'm from the old school when we used to call them peace officers and the cops were at least supposed to be brave and honorable.

4. The cop should have given chase. Yes this is more dangerous than shooting the perp in the back but it is what good cops used to do.

29 posted on 12/14/2002 4:44:24 AM PST by SSN558
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To: SSN558
And you're an idiot. He chose to die when he started using something like a firearm to rop people, and be not dropping it as he ran.

you'd be whining like the twit you are if your mother/daughter/wife/son/uncle/business partner got robbed or shot by someone who got away from the police because of a policy of not shooting fleeing armed felons.

I've been shot at by someone trying to rob me before, and believe me, catching them is impossible.

30 posted on 12/14/2002 4:56:25 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
catching them is not impossible, if you were able to arm yourself, you could've stopped the robber dead in his tracks...

the police are not in the business of protecting the masses but enforcing the laws... the shooting is predicated on the fleeing perp being a threat to a larger contingent of civilians... that description can be applied to anyone running toward a heavily populated area... open season?
apparently so, in your book.

the police are clinging onto the fears of an unarmed society. they are increasing their powers over the very people they are supposed to be serving.
31 posted on 12/14/2002 6:57:05 AM PST by teeman8r
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To: SSN558
Here's another shooting to weigh in on.

Memphis, TN: Subway owner shoots and kills robbery suspect

I'm curious, isn't Ohio trying to pass a concealed carry law? If you were being robbed and were armed, would you try to defend yourself or give the robber a pass?

32 posted on 12/14/2002 12:10:42 PM PST by csvset
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Chancellor Palpatine signed up 2002-05-28.

My, my! Calling names. It seems Free Republic has aquired quite a few of these in the last six months. You must have the maturity level of a ten year old. It is reflected on the graphics of your profile page. Woopeee cowboys and indians !!! Shoot all the bad guys.

33 posted on 12/14/2002 12:14:23 PM PST by SSN558
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To: csvset
If you were being robbed and were armed, would you try to defend yourself or give the robber a pass?

If the robber decided to run after I had brandished a weapon it would be mission acomplished. A crime was stopped and nobody got killed. It is called self defense not open season. It is sad that many of the militarized police departments do not see it that way.

As far a Ohio concealed carry, if and when it does pass I do not intend to get a permit. My part of the woods are like Mayberry RFD, a bicycle getting stolen is front page news.

34 posted on 12/14/2002 12:31:49 PM PST by SSN558
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To: SSN558
The kid is a maggot, a piece of defecation from the sleazy underbelly of a sewer rat, a piece of slime, a mutant. Bring back crucifixion!
35 posted on 12/14/2002 12:47:08 PM PST by Doc Savage
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To: SSN558
Normally I would agree you don't shoot someone in the back as they are fleeing. In this case though you don't realize this guy was running towards a crowded neighborhood a block away.

If you catch up to him their and shots start flying then bystanders are at risk. The Cop was within the law, his training and as it stands now common sense when all the facts are known.

Not only that but the cop hit the perp once out of two shots fired while the perp was running. That's a much higher percentage than most police shootings which have hit rates of about 18%. Of course these were SWAT officers and not patrol officers so that accounts for some of the increase but still, 50% hit rate in a dark alley on a running target with a pistol is damn good.

By the way, the perp died last night.
36 posted on 12/14/2002 2:35:54 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: DouglasKC; big ern
as he ran away from police had been armed only with a gun-shaped commercial paint sprayer nozzle...
You forgot some ;) ... The poor child robbed someone, but for heaven's sake he was ONLY armed with blah blah blah... Disgusting bias stupidity.
37 posted on 12/14/2002 4:36:11 PM PST by Libertina
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To: SSN558
This is an unjustified use of deadly force.

As always, any analysis must depend on the accuracy of the report under consideration, especially or particularly newspaper accounts.

With that said, this seems to be one of the few justifiable Police shootings I have encountered.

1.We are confronted with a series of predictable violent armed robberies serious enough to field a SWAT stakeout team for survelliance. 2.The perpetrators involved refuse to surrender when challenged. 3.The Police do not fire in panic or incompetence.

I must respectfully disagree with your otherwise thoughtful analysis.

Best regards,

38 posted on 12/14/2002 5:46:24 PM PST by Copernicus
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To: SSN558
A little off topic but if, and I do mean if, your state gets a CCW law, I would advice you to get a permit.

Regardless of whether you live in Mayberry, a lot of people are working very hard to get you the permit. It's one step closer to full Second Amendment Rights.

You will become one of the good guys, you will add the statistics in disproving the "Wild West" theory, and it will help other states to get their permits.

Personally, I don't think the law is going to be passed. The RINO governor you have isn't going to sign it, the majority of the people in Ohio don't want it and I think the NRA is wasting their time and money.
39 posted on 12/14/2002 7:55:55 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: big ern
...when he robbed a customer at an automated teller machine in Wallingford.

You rob, you die. Sounds fair to me!

40 posted on 12/14/2002 7:58:38 PM PST by JimRed
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