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Liberal Democracy vs. Transnational Progressivism: The Ideological Civil War Within the West
Hudson Institute ^ | October 26, 2001 | John Fonte

Posted on 12/12/2002 6:53:12 PM PST by Remedy

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To: Clemenza; Yehuda; rmlew; PARodrig; RaceBannon
An important read
61 posted on 12/15/2002 10:58:53 AM PST by Cacique
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To: *NOTEWORTHY; *FR Librarians
bump
62 posted on 12/15/2002 11:14:01 AM PST by Fish out of Water
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To: Remedy
Great article, but things are going to be tougher for the nation than we might think. Some of those who are strongest in their opposition to the New World Order are anarcho-capitalists or free market libertarians, and hence in some ways, globalists by other means. Others are regionalists or secessionists, who take their "nation" to be something smaller than the United States. The US government is seen as a stalking horse for globalism and the New World Order, and they view radical steps as necessary.

I'm not sure what the answers are, but I think breaking up the country would only accelerate globalism, which seems to be something all around us, like part of the air we breathe. Believe in liberty and rights and justice, and you have people telling you that they can only be achieved in a global or transnational framework. Ultimately it's a recipe for an administrative government far removed from the control of any local public, but it will be hard to resist such developments.

63 posted on 12/15/2002 11:24:04 AM PST by x
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To: madfly; betty boop

I think this could be an enormously valuable project madfly. A forum dedicated to "deconstructing" the rhetoric of transnational progressivism (to reveal the hidden agendas and outright fallacies that lurk at the heart of all such rhetoric) strikes me as being a project well worth undertaking.

"Transnational Progressivism Expose". An ongoing research thread with this article for openeners. Like we did last year with the "Environmentalists Organizations Exposed" threads

You have the interest and the means. Consider identifying relatively unique key words to tag articles posted on F.R, which clearly indicate the pervasive influence of Transnational Progressivism.

Key word examples: ascriptivegroups, proportionalism, multiculturalism, worldcitizen... To categorize a particular article under one or more of the following:

Bureaucratic leftism diminishes the role of the individual

* The group over the individual:

* Victim vs. Oppressor :

* Fairness requires group proportionalism:

* Democracy as power sharing by groups:

* Victims' values rule:

* Out with national narratives and symbols:

Bureaucratic leftism weakens the nation-state:

* Denigration of state sovereignty:

* Citizen of the world:

* Immigrant rights prevail:

 

 

64 posted on 12/15/2002 11:54:04 AM PST by Remedy
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To: x

The US government is seen as a stalking horse for globalism and the New World Order and they view radical steps as necessary.

Mr. PAUL (for himself, Mr. STUMP, and Mr. POMBO) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on International Relations

`American Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2001'... which had underwhelming support.

65 posted on 12/15/2002 12:08:47 PM PST by Remedy
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To: Illbay
I understand there's SUPPOSED to be some kind of potential political fallout from cracking down on illegal immigration, but this just isn't a minor issue any more.

Time for us to be writing our Congressmen, asking them to hold the White House accountable, and time for us to be contacting the White House ourselves.

8 posted on 12/06/2002 4:25 PM PST by Illbay

66 posted on 12/15/2002 12:17:50 PM PST by Remedy
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To: madfly
Be well - Be armed - Be safe - Molon Labe!
67 posted on 12/15/2002 3:21:28 PM PST by blackie
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To: independentmind; LogicWings; tpaine
I just happen to think that rational discourse may not be the best way to reach those deep into what you call second realities.

Truly, independentmind, I didn't take umbrage at your remarks. And I completely agree with your statement, above.

I wasn't thinking so much of the committed denizens of Second Realities (who may be hopeless cases for all I know), as much as of those "bystanders" who qualify as "normal" Americans, but who do nothing to exercise their responsibilities of citizenship. I mean, here we are, the United States of America, the only governmental system in the world premised on popular self-government. And your "average Joe in the street" is so busy with his personal life and fortunes that he doesn't have the time or the interest to get involved in the conduct of public life?

I am not alone in being thoroughly depressed by this, I am sure. The idea of the citizen who has no public role to play comes straight out of 19th-century German Idealism....

68 posted on 12/15/2002 3:59:51 PM PST by betty boop
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To: Remedy
Hmmmm...I need to come up with some "buzzwords." O.K., I'll work on it. Hope to be back soon.
69 posted on 12/15/2002 4:01:48 PM PST by betty boop
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To: betty boop
as much as of those "bystanders" who qualify as "normal" Americans, but who do nothing to exercise their responsibilities of citizenship.

I understood what you meant. I can't remember a single time my parents, or the rest of my family ever voted. They have always tried to get by doing as little as possible. It took years to figure out how wrong all this was. But recent experiences have made me feel very much of two minds. On the one hand, one can never give up. On the other hand, I can't see it as anything but hopeless.

Freepers haven't done anything to increase my optimism any, especially recently. This article articulates what is wrong, but not what we can do about it. I look at California, that has universal health care for illegals but not for citizens, whose Governor is calling for things that didn't work in Soviet Russia and I feel like I'm in a Kafkaesque Fellini movie.

70 posted on 12/15/2002 5:51:35 PM PST by LogicWings
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To: PatrickHenry
Now I get it.

It's all in the definitions. From Animal Farm to Rand, control the language and you can eventually control it all.

71 posted on 12/15/2002 5:55:34 PM PST by LogicWings
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To: LogicWings
From Animal Farm to Rand, control the language and you can eventually control it all.

Don't forget 1984. Orwell really laid it out in that one. He even included an appendix on the principles of Newspeak. He understood exactly what was happening.

72 posted on 12/15/2002 6:18:53 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: LogicWings
…understood what you meant. I can't remember a single time my parents, or the rest of my family ever voted. They have always tried to get by doing as little as possible. It took years to figure out how wrong all this was. But recent experiences have made me feel very much of two minds. On the one hand, one can never give up. On the other hand, I can't see it as anything but hopeless.

Freepers haven't done anything to increase my optimism any, especially recently. This article articulates what is wrong, but not what we can do about it. I look at California, that has universal health care for illegals but not for citizens, whose Governor is calling for things that didn't work in Soviet Russia and I feel like I'm in a Kafkaesque Fellini movie.

Dear LogicWings – I am happy to confirm your sense that we do live, indeed, in some kind of a “Kafkaesque Fellini movie.”

But on the other hand, as long as there is love and friendship in this world – and I believe that there is, in great abundance – then we human beings have a future, because we have cause for hope -- in each other, according to a standard that is not of our own making....

God’s “measure” is better than, beyond man’s, in other words.

And may He bless you, always.

73 posted on 12/15/2002 6:29:32 PM PST by betty boop
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To: betty boop
What betty boop said:
"I think this could be an enormously valuable project, madfly. A forum dedicated to "deconstructing" the rhetoric of transnational progressivism (to reveal the hidden agendas and outright fallacies that lurk at the heart of all such rhetoric) strikes me as being a project well worth undertaking."

I agree with you, betty boop. IIRC, it was Stalin who wrote the white paper on semantics and how words can change the direction of events. Do you remember seeing it here, betty boop?


75 posted on 12/16/2002 12:39:36 AM PST by JusticeLives
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To: JusticeLives
...it was Stalin who wrote the white paper on semantics and how words can change the direction of events. Do you remember seeing it here, betty boop?

No, JusticeLives, unfortunately I missed that one. Sounds like something that would be very appropriate to post on or link to this thread. I wonder, does anyone out there know where it can be found?

Thanks for writing!

77 posted on 12/16/2002 6:44:20 AM PST by betty boop
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To: x
Believe in liberty and rights and justice, and you have people telling you that they can only be achieved in a global or transnational framework.

But don't let them get away with this, x. An assertion is not a proof. Ask them to explain to you why they think justice and liberty and rights "can only be achieved in a global or transnational framework." When they can't answer that, you might suggest that a reasonable person might think that to consolidate all power in a global hegemon is to reduce the power of individuals everywhere, including their own power. Ask them how arbitrary, "one-size-fits-all rules" delivered "top-down" and enforced by an unaccountable autocrat increases their rights or their liberty. You might also remind them that politics is about power, not about truth -- and maybe they need to "put that in their pipe, and smoke it." :^)

78 posted on 12/16/2002 6:56:21 AM PST by betty boop
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To: Remedy
Remedy, I think Anti-Americanism, nationalism, internationalism, transnationalism, and the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ought to be included in Keywords -- if possible.
79 posted on 12/16/2002 6:59:29 AM PST by betty boop
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To: Remedy
Plus "Second Reality" might be a useful keyword...for some of us around here, anyway.
80 posted on 12/16/2002 8:55:08 AM PST by betty boop
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