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Oregon: Jobs, cash gone, but fiber cables remain
CNN.Com ^ | Tuesday, December 10, 2002 Posted: 9:55 AM EST (1455 GMT) | The Associated Press.

Posted on 12/11/2002 1:34:12 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:01:46 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

PORTLAND, Oregon (AP) -- More than 140,000 miles of fiber-optic cable lie buried along Oregon's Interstate 5 corridor, the remains of a latter-day gold rush to capitalize on a 1990's telecommunications boom.

Now, after $1 billion of investment, about 95 percent of the fiber goes unused and nearly half the companies that laid the line are bankrupt.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: dotcombust; fiberoptic

1 posted on 12/11/2002 1:34:12 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; .45MAN
Ernest, I wonder just what the H is going on with this stuff... we are in the middle of a vast widening of I-95 between Jacksonville, the King's Bay Naval Station, and Savannah- going from 4 to maybe 8 lanes.

They are laying fibre-optic cable like crazy, still. Piles of huge reels still sit in the work areas, and they have been laying this stuff for about a year. Wonder what's up?

2 posted on 12/11/2002 2:13:55 AM PST by backhoe
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To: backhoe
What's even more funny is at the rate wireless technology is catching up, having fibre optic cables will become passe relatively soon. ;)

Regards, Ivan

3 posted on 12/11/2002 2:17:37 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: backhoe
so deos anyone know the legal implications of 'squating' on abandoned fiber?
4 posted on 12/11/2002 2:23:43 AM PST by ContentiousObjector
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To: MadIvan
Ivan, the great widening of I-95, the cables laid, and the silence of the local media about all of this lead me to speculate that there is some low-level military security clamp on the information.

There is a huge Naval Air Station in Jax, King's Bay is a Trident base, and Savannah has Hunter, a rather large Air Force base. In addition, Fort Stewart and Warner Robbins AFB are fairly close to all this activity... leading me to think something military is up.

I pinged .45MAN because when he & his charming spouse visited me a couple of months ago, he had seem some other things along the drive down I-16 and I-95 that were noteworthy.

5 posted on 12/11/2002 2:44:24 AM PST by backhoe
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To: MadIvan
What's even more funny is at the rate wireless technology is catching up, having fibre optic cables will become passe relatively soon. ;)

Wireless is wonderful for a lot of applications, like large retail concerns, warehousing, homes, and smaller offices where modern wiring is not practical. Cisco is even pushing it for college campuses and it looks like a really good use there. But for the large backbone corridors between cities and across country, fiber is right now the best and only way. Those dark fibers will be lit up some day. Let's just hope that people don't get stupid and rip them up.

6 posted on 12/11/2002 3:04:46 AM PST by WarEagle
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"You feel everybody involved either knew or should have known the spectacular risks that were taken,"

This was a product of boom times. Everyone involved "felt" that the boom would go on forever. If it had continued another two years, of course, the companies laying fiber might have cashed in. As it is, only the fiber makers cashed in.

The people really hurt are the residents of western Oregon. Both of my brothers have had to find service-sector jobs.

7 posted on 12/11/2002 3:53:45 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: jimtorr
Well, we used to have a timber industry, once upon a time. But, you know...Cutting Down Trees Is BadTM.
8 posted on 12/11/2002 4:30:42 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It'll get used eventually. In another 10 years, these same people will be carping because there's not enough bandwidth to satisfy their needs.
9 posted on 12/11/2002 4:39:34 AM PST by IronJack
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To: backhoe; Ernest_at_the_Beach; dansangel
Maybe there just trying to bury it to get rid of it, Ha! There must ba million miles of this stuff all over the country just sticking up out of the ground going nowhere...
Maybe on New Years eve they can put lights at one end and light up the sky all over the country.
10 posted on 12/11/2002 4:59:20 AM PST by .45MAN
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To: backhoe
Sounds like military use would make sense!
11 posted on 12/11/2002 7:33:42 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: MadIvan
No they won't.

The problem is that people forgot what FO is good for.

It's ideal for backbone connections between major nodes. 2 or 3 FO connections between Eugene and Portland could carry all the voice and data traffic you could throw at it for the next couple of decades.

The problem is that there aren't just two or three FO pipes in the ground. There are dozens of them. The situation is analogous to having 6 different water companies all laying pipe to serve the same market. There simply isn't enough demand.

What FO sucks at is individual connections for home and business. For that purpose, twisted pair copper is going to be the way to go for the forseeable future. Wireless is alright for certain applications, but it has major problems. Security and range are just a couple of them.

802.11b (and a) can't serve anything more than a couple of square miles at best and that's under ideal circumstances. Radio is radio my friend, and that limits a provider to line of sight. That severely limits an ISPs options in mountanous states like Oregon, Washington and California.

If someone had a few million dollars just laying around doing nothing, I would recommend buying up a very small portion of the FO cables between major nodes and then putting some additional money into the necessary repeaters.

One could buy the already buried FO at fire sale prices and then use the incumbent ILECs and CLECs to complete the networks by bringing bandwidth to consumers over already proven 2 pair and 4 pair copper technologies,(IE SDLS, ADSL, and integrated T1) at bargain prices.

The TELCOM Act of 96 pretty much was a death blow to the Bell monopolies when one considers in detail what they are required to do. Hell, SBC is required by law to lease T1 circuits to CLEC's at something less than 75 bucks a month in most US markets.

Sorry for the 'inside baseball' response, but the plethora of FO is going to be a Godsend to someone who realizes what's already buried in the ground and the capital to buy it up in the proper markets.

Hope all is well across the pond.

Regards,

L

12 posted on 12/11/2002 7:53:35 PM PST by Lurker
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
""You feel everybody involved either knew or should have known the spectacular risks that were taken," said Reed Hundt, chairman of the Federal Communications Commission from 1993 to 1997..."

Reed Hundt speerheaded (and hyped) the Telecommunications Act of 1996, which directly led to much of the highly speculative investment he's now complaining about. What a hypocrite.

13 posted on 12/11/2002 8:04:03 PM PST by constable tom
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Just checking in, neighbor- my "better" PC croaked last night & I'm still trying to get it back up & running.
14 posted on 12/12/2002 7:03:16 AM PST by backhoe
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