Open Letter to NTSB - re: Flight 587 Debris Field in Jamaica Bay and Other Debris on Land

USRead; emails ^ | 12/5/02 | Victor Trombettas

[eno_]

This AB was not FBW.

This is significant in two ways: a) What you cited as possible problems don't apply; b) FBW would have been more resilient to a bomb on board.

[eno_]

LEARTIST signed up 2002-12-06.

New shill, old discredited theory.

[copycat]

Your analysis starts late in the game, and ignores the eyewitness testimony of scores of Americans who witnessed FIRE or SMOKE before the tail separated.

Jet "exploded into pieces"
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Breakup of Airliner is captured on security film.
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Accident Theories Falling Like Dominoes (a collection of trial balloons)
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JetBlue Pilot Saw American Airlines Crash
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Flight 587 probe focusing on what made tail fall off

Flight 587 Witnesses Blast Feds
Flight 587:Video May Hold the Key

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Flt. 587 Eyewitnesses Insist Explosion Came Before Tail Broke Off

Two eyewitness to the Nov. 12 crash of American Airlines Flight 587 said over the weekend that investigators for the National Transportation Safety Board are wrong to focus on potential structural defects as the cause of the disaster - insisting instead that the plane's tail came off over New York's Jamaica Bay only after it exploded in a fireball.

"It was after the explosion," eyewitness Tom Lynch, a retired firefighter, told the New York Post. "I'm telling you, the tail was there until the second explosion."

"No tail fell off, not before the explosion. I swear to that," Lynch told the paper's Steve Dunleavy.

The eyewitness said there was absolutely no doubt about what he saw.

"I had my head up taking in that beautiful, clear day and was staring straight at the plane. It made a bank turn and suddenly there was an explosion, orange and black, on the right-hand side of the fuselage. It was a small explosion, about half the size of a car."

He continued:

"The plane kept on going straight for about two or three seconds as if nothing had happened, then ‘vwoof' - the second, big explosion on the right wing, orange and black. It was only then that the plane fell apart. It was after the explosion and I'm telling you, the tail was there until the second explosion."

Lynch, who lives near the Belle Harbor, N.Y. crash site, said he knew thirteen others who also saw the explosion and/or fire.




The next step in this dance is for you to discredit your fellow Americans who witnessed these two EXPLOSIONS.

[eno_]

LEARTIST shows up brand new to flog another dead theory, agreeing somewhat with Narby. I think Narby has an "invisible friend."

[Joan912]

Can someone please tell me how yet another airline disaster/terrorist-related coverup can possibly help our nation in any way? Is the NTSB trying to give the impression that air travel is safe or are other government agencies pretending that there is no real Islamic threat in this country? Is this all about funding? Accountability? Political correctness? I am confused.

[Burn24]

It's about money. I have no doubt 587 was sabotage, but, coming so soon after 9/11, it would have caused a stock market crash. The pity of it is the families of all these people never got help.

[eno_]

It goes along with Tom Ridge's attempt to claim the anthrax was not "weaponized" and the even earlier claims that the first anthrax victim "drank water from a stream while hunting" and somehow came down with inhalation anthrax.

Why the impulse to cover up? There could be many reasons: CLinton not having the balls to do anything. Fear of collapsing the airlines (that's water under the bridge now). A strange dance where we use the fact AQ does not "take credit" to try to reduce the effect of terrorism attacks. Bureaucratic ass covering to cover up security failures. "Multiculturalist" PC. Take your pick.

I happen to think it is stupid. We are on the brink of war in which we could take millions of civilian casualties in a bioweapons attack. We could go nuclear. We could face missiles with nukes from North Korea. The people need to know how serious the situation is.

[Beach_Babe]

Many believe that the crash of Flight 587 was linked to terrorism and that government officials are deceiving the public about the investigation. Skeptics denounce any accusations of terrorism by saying that it is not in the government’s best interest to lie to the American public about airline safety or what happened in the case of Flight 587. I beg to differ.

It would be in the government’s best interest to lie to us because of the fact that they just bailed out the airline industry to the tune of more than a billion dollars. If that doesn’t illustrate the enormous significance of the airline industry on the economy, I don’t know what does.

Also, we were in the midst of the biggest holiday traveling season of the year. We were also in a recession. We needed methods of jump starting the economy, and the government was in no position to throw any more money around with a shrinking surplus. Simply put, the government wanted people to travel by air and they were doing everything to assure the public that the airports and airlines are safe. If the eyewitness reports were true, it would make all the sense in the world why the government is not telling us the truth about Flight 587.

Telling the truth would lead to further destruction of the airline industry. Everyone would find alternate methods of travel, just to avoid getting on a plane.

Telling the truth would mean mass hysteria and widespread panic about continued attacks against us.

Telling the truth would mar our "success" in the war on terrorism because the downing of Flight 587 would undoubtedly prove that we are still vulnerable on any given day. I think you get the point.

While the NTSB’s explanation(s) for the crash seem valid, the claims made by the eyewitnesses cannot, and should not, be dismissed. They are far too credible. Furthermore, what would these guys have to gain by lying to the FBI or NTSB?

It is so ironic that many of the eyewitnesses are former representatives of the NYPD and the FDNY, the agencies that are supposed to be the epitome of truth and honor. Sadly, they now find themselves in the position of having to defend their claims and their honor.

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[wtc911]

Why I don't agree with you that the tail "just fell off"

For a solid week before this incident The Feds were telling us all to watch for "something big". Well something big happened and within 12 hours the Feds were calling it an accident.

Numerous sober minded witnesses told local news teams (I am local to that area and may have seen coverage that you did not) that they heard an explosion, looked up and saw flames before the plane crashed. These people were on the spot eyewitnesses, many of whom were NYPD and FDNY current or retired personnel, not the sort to mis-report.

If the tail just fell off why were the hundreds of other craft in the airbus fleet immediately grounded? UPS uses these craft in the hundreds.

Bottom line, I'm not buying it.

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Why I don't agree with you that the tail "just fell off" For a solid week before this incident The Feds were telling us all to watch for "something big". Well something big happened and within 12 hours the Feds were calling it an accident. Numerous sober minded witnesses told local news teams (I am local to that area and may have seen coverage that you did not) that they heard an explosion, looked up and saw flames before the plane crashed. These people were on the spot eyewitnesses, many of whom were NYPD and FDNY current or retired personnel, not the sort to mis-report. If the tail just fell off why were the hundreds of other craft in the airbus fleet immediately grounded? UPS uses these craft in the hundreds. Bottom line, I'm not buying it. 35 posted on 01/14/2003 1:47 PM PST by wtc911 [ Post Reply

DITTO...couldn't have said it any better!!

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