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We Need More Carriers and More Marines
National Security Online ^ | 12/6/2002 | Christopher W. Holton

Posted on 12/06/2002 3:36:49 PM PST by LSUfan

Recent developments in the Middle East have driven home two points that members of the Navy/Marine Corps team have known for decades: The U.S. needs more aircraft carriers and more Marines to man Amphibious Ready Groups.

This will be even more true in the future than it has been in the past.

The early stages of Operation Enduring Freedom were complicated by the refusal of several key Middle East "allies" to allow U.S. forces to stage out of U.S. facilities within their borders.

The key example has been Saudi Arabia. Not only did Saudi Arabia not allow U.S. aircraft to strike Afghanistan during Enduring Freedom, they have, until very recently, steadfastly refused us basing rights in any campaign to rid the world and the region of Saddam Hussein's regime and Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.

Saudi Arabia has been anything but a reliable ally, however, even well-meaning allies in the region are subject to internal and external pressures that could limit American military flexibility in a variety of military operations. In Muslim and Arab nations in particular, America is often unpopular among the masses and regimes in the area are often in untenable positions. The Saudi regime is particularly unstable with an unhappy populous and Wahabbi Jihadists waiting in the wings--even within the royal family.

Now we find that even our NATO ally Turkey is waffling on the use of Turkish soil to go after Iraq, sending mixed signals over whether to allow U.S. aircraft to fly from Turkish bases and refusing outright to allow U.S. ground forces to invade Iraq through Turkey.

The problem is nothing new. In April of 1986, France refused to allow U.S. F-111s to fly from England over France to raid Libya in response to a terrorist attack.

Many of these problems will be ironed out...this time. But they make prior planning very difficult. How can a U.S. commander plan operations not knowing for sure where his forces can stage and fly from? And in future operations necessitated by the war on terrorism or other nations with weapons of mass destruction in the region (notably Iran), who knows what allied support we would have?

Moreover, outside the region, there are other hot spots that could present similar problems: the Korean peninsula, the Taiwan strait to name two. Would Japan and South Korea allow U.S. aircraft to raid Kim Jong il's nuclear complexes? If we had to defend Taiwan, where would we stage from?

All of this points in one direction. In order to defend our own national security, we must have the capability to bring powerful forces to bear which are independent of allies often fettered by domestic political considerations, weakness and outright fear.

The most flexible and realistic means are naval forces: the Navy-Marine Corps team. The key forces in that team are the Carrier Battle Groups (CVBGs) and Amphibious Ready Groups (ARGs).

Carrier battle groups are obviously task forces centered around aircraft carriers. They usually include one carrier and 4 to 5 cruisers, destroyers and frigates as escorts--along with a nuclear powered submarine.

Amphibious Ready Groups are task forces containing amphibious transport vessels such as LHDs, LHAs, LPDs and LSDs. These ARGs usually consist of one LHA or LHD accompanied by a pair of LSDs or LPDs. Embarked on board is a Marine Expeditionary Unit (Special Operations Capable) (MEU(SOC)). That unit is a Marine Air-Ground Task Force (MAGTF) consisting of a reinforced rifle battalion with armor, artillery, helicopter and fixed wing aviation support. It consists of about 2,000 Marines. Larger MAGTFs are the Marine Expeditionary Brigade (MEB) and the Marine Expeditionary Force (MEF). These units are unique in the world in that they are self-contained warfighting units with everything needed--including the beans, bullets and band-aids to keep fighting for at least 30 days.

These forces can steam anywhere that we choose in international waters, provide a visible deterent force, and strike quickly to defend American lives and security around the world. They are America's 911 force. They are not designed to fight extended, fixed-piece campaigns. They are strike forces designed to "kick in the door" or punish an adversary and get out. In other words, they are exactly what we need in today's world: flexible forces unfettered by allied intransigence with enough firepower and staying power to take on any foe short of a superpower confrontation.

The problem is this: we don't have enough CVBGs or ARGs any more. And the ones we have are overused and overworked.

Today we have 12 carriers in service, with as many as 3 or 4 in long-term maintenance or overhaul at any point in time. Twelve simply is not enough.

In the late 1970s and 1980s, the Navy created a program called SLEP (Service Life Extension Program). This program was a modernization program that was designed to extend the service life of each aircraft carrier from 30 to 45 years. Had the Navy been allowed to follow through with that program, we would have at our disposal, right now, as many as 17 aircraft carriers. (Of course we would not have the airplanes or personnel that make aircraft carriers what they are, but that is a different subject.)

What happened to the aircraft carriers? Bill Clinton happened.

The USS Forrestal went through a SLEP and was decommissioned after only 38 years of service. The USS Saratoga went through a SLEP and was decommissioned after 38 years of service. Neither ship is even available for recommissioning any more.

The USS Ranger went through a SLEP and was decommissioned after 36 years of service. The USS Independence lasted 39 years.

Not one of these ships stayed in service for the 45 years they were designed to last simply because the Clinton administration was intent on cutting the military. But it gets worse.

The USS America was decommissioned after only 31 years of service and never even went through the SLEP program. Her sisters USS Kitty Hawk and USS Constellation, both now headed to the Persian Gulf will never go through a SLEP and will be decommissioned soon---after a SLEP in the early 1990s--with nearly the full 45 years service.

We need more aircraft carriers. As part of his defense build-up, President Bush needs to establish a plan to increase America's carrier might. The same goes for the ships and equipment of the Amphibious Ready Groups.

In the early stages of Enduring Freedom, it was carrier based aircraft that provided almost all of the air support. And when U.S. ground forces deployed into Afghanistan, they were led by a Marine Expeditionary Unit which was deployed inland from the sea--further inland in fact that any Marine unit in history.

In the future, we will need these forces more and more to bring the war home to the Jihadists in places like Iran and the Bekaa Valley and to prevent rogue regimes such as those in Iran and Libya from obtaining or using weapons of mass destruction. Without a properly funded and equipped Navy-Marine Corps team, the issue will be in doubt.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aircaftcarriers; arab; iran; iraq; jihad; koreanpeninsula; marines; middleeast; muslim; persiangulf; saudiarabia; taiwan; terrorism
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1 posted on 12/06/2002 3:36:49 PM PST by LSUfan
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To: LSUfan

2 posted on 12/06/2002 3:38:43 PM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: LSUfan
Wasn't Rumsfeld the one who originally planned these cutbacks?
3 posted on 12/06/2002 3:39:29 PM PST by Willie Green
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To: LSUfan
We Need More Carriers and More Marines

Build more carriers and call up reserves no draft though.

4 posted on 12/06/2002 3:42:51 PM PST by weikel
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To: Willie Green
I think you are mistaken. He called for the continuation of decomm's. The budget for building new state of the art United States Ships is far better nowadays. (Especially since Clinton) All's Clinton did was create the TERA program (early outs) that are no longer. (Believe me the Navy lost alot of good old schoolers) And "Don't Ask Don't Tell" fiasco.
5 posted on 12/06/2002 3:45:43 PM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: LSUfan
Hear, hear! There is no substitute for having enough -- or indeed a little too much -- since history shows that the unthinkable eventually does happen. We have downsized to match our wishes, but are now hoping we have enough to meet all of our far-flung commitments.
6 posted on 12/06/2002 3:47:44 PM PST by Always A Marine
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To: Willie Green
Nope. This all happened on Clinton's watch.

However, the Forrestal and Kitty Hawk-class carriers are tremendously expensive relative to nuclear-powered carriers--fuel oil O&M costs are about 3-4 times as much as the same costs for new nuclear cores across the lifespan of the ship. O&M cost reductions were the biggest reason the Navy decommissioned these ships.
7 posted on 12/06/2002 3:47:52 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: LSUfan
Had the Navy been allowed to follow through with that program, we would have at our disposal, right now, as many as 17 aircraft carriers. (Of course we would not have the airplanes or personnel that make aircraft carriers what they are, but that is a different subject.)

Nontrivial point that is completely glossed over...

8 posted on 12/06/2002 3:51:57 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Nah, I'm pretty sure that Rummy set the pattern for downsizing the hardware.
He prefers spending the money on the golly-gee-whiz-bang computer stuff instead. (I seem to recall debates about him wanting to defend satellites from terrorist attacks. It seems kind of bizarre in retrospect.) Klintoon was very heavy into the social engineering, but I still think it was Rummy who changed the hardware priorities back when he worked for Papa Bush.
9 posted on 12/06/2002 3:53:35 PM PST by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
Posted earlier today....upgrading some early Boomers to launch cruse missiles.....
10 posted on 12/06/2002 3:58:26 PM PST by spokeshave
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Re-Build the FMF

Clinton shrunk our abilities to respond in a timely and effective manner anywhere, anytime... He wasn;t a pacifist,he IS a communist.. He IS the ultimate sleeper agent in a Trojan Horse.. For 8 years, he worked from within to cripple that which we rely on to defend our freedoms. He over-committed troops worldwide and never really cared if it left us vulnerable as that was his goal.
11 posted on 12/06/2002 3:59:10 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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Re-Build Expand the FMF
12 posted on 12/06/2002 4:00:19 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: LSUfan; TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!; Willie Green; weikel
Regarding more carriers, with the Nimitz class ships cost $4b, there's a proposal for a smaller, coastal water 'pocket' carrier:

"According to some reports, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld’s spring 2001 Quadrennial Defense Review considered recommending that the Navy stop building large-deck Nimitz-class carriers in favor of smaller carriers that could be deployed in the coastal waters. This new class of 'pocket' aircraft carriers, designated the Corsair, is envisioned as a vessel of only 6,000 tons displacement, with a crew of as few as 20 sailors. The Corsair might carry half a dozen of the Vertical Take-Off variant of the Joint Strike Fighter being developed for the Marine Corps. Alternatvely, the Corsairs might employ Unmanned Combat Air Vehicles [UCAVs]. Vessels like the Corsair might be built for several hundred million dollars, compared with the $4 billion construction cost of a Nimitz carrier. The Corsair could allow the Navy to operate in coastal waters, within range of shore-base anti-shipping cruise missiles, according to proponents of the concept. It could also allow the Navy to provide air cover for smaller post-Cold War operations, such as the peacekeeping missions in Haiti or East Timor, that either divert a Nimitz-class carrier or are conducted without air support.

"The CVX design effort in the late 1990s onsidered a variety of alternative mid-sized carrier designs, including derivatives with alternative flight decks, fossil-fuel propulsion, low signature monohulls, and low signature catamaran."

[quote from globalsecurity.org's site]

Has anything more developed along lines of a Corsair class carrier?
13 posted on 12/06/2002 4:04:45 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: Willie Green
Nah, I'm pretty sure that Rummy set the pattern for downsizing the hardware.

Too bad you're mistaken.

He prefers spending the money on the golly-gee-whiz-bang computer stuff instead.

Notice that we're not fighting a large industrialized nation-state?

(I seem to recall debates about him wanting to defend satellites from terrorist attacks. It seems kind of bizarre in retrospect.)

During the late 1980s and early 1990s, we found out that communications satellites could be jammed and reconnaisance satellites at least partially blinded with techniques that Achmed the Awful could develop with modest amounts of money. It took a fair amount of money to cure these problems.

Klintoon was very heavy into the social engineering, but I still think it was Rummy who changed the hardware priorities back when he worked for Papa Bush.

The only defense-related post Rumsfeld held during the first Bush Administration was as a member of the National Defense University's Board of Visitors, not exactly a powerhouse of defense policy-making.

14 posted on 12/06/2002 4:05:25 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: Mike Fieschko
Well many small ships especially with carriers (provided they can operate without docking for similar periods) might be more effective than a few large ones.
15 posted on 12/06/2002 4:08:06 PM PST by weikel
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To: Poohbah
Too bad you're mistaken.

Yeah, I suppose so. It must've been Cheney.

16 posted on 12/06/2002 4:11:53 PM PST by Willie Green
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To: Mike Fieschko
This may seem like a pipedream, but this is what I think we should do. A small aircraft carrier is Great, but then add to that concept a submarine. A GIANT submarine with aircraft within it's belly.

The boat surfaces, opens it's aircraft doors and start launching aircraft. pops up anytime, anywhere, no escorts needed. Pops up. launches it's planes then goes back down until it is time for retrieval. The planes are lifted to the top flight deck and take off, just like on a normal carrier. Doesn't need to be a deep water sub, 3-500 feet would do it.

Surface, launch, submerge, surface, retrieve, submerge, and off to it's next theater. It would be huge, but it would be capable of much more and would be less expensive then the fleet of ships it takes now to support a carrier.
17 posted on 12/06/2002 4:15:55 PM PST by Aric2000
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To: Poohbah
Well Poo, other than work for Bush, Rummy has done quite a lot as his DOD bio shows. You seem to have left out a few details (not suprisingly given your track record).

"Mr. Rumsfeld resigned from Congress in 1969 during his fourth term to join the President's Cabinet. From 1969 to 1970, he served as Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity and Assistant to the President. From 1971 to 1972, he was Counsellor to the President and Director of the Economic Stabilization Program. In 1973, he left Washington, DC, to serve as U.S. Ambassador to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) in Brussels, Belgium (1973-1974).

In August 1974, he was called back to Washington, DC, to serve as Chairman of the transition to the Presidency of Gerald R. Ford. He then became Chief of Staff of the White House and a member of the President's Cabinet (1974-1975). He served as the 13th U.S. Secretary of Defense, the youngest in the country's history (1975-1977). "


http://www.defenselink.mil/bios/secdef_bio.html
18 posted on 12/06/2002 4:16:29 PM PST by RKV
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I should add the Rummy retired as a Captain (Reserve) and was an aviator. See the bio for more.
19 posted on 12/06/2002 4:17:46 PM PST by RKV
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To: RKV
The specific period Willie Green cited was 1989-1992, and that was the only defense-related post he held during those particular years.
20 posted on 12/06/2002 4:17:50 PM PST by Poohbah
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