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Students Fail Nicotine Part of City Drug Tests
The Decatur Daily online edition ^ | NOVEMBER 27, 2002 | Bayne Hughes

Posted on 12/05/2002 1:05:09 PM PST by Just another Joe

4 students fail nicotine part of city drug tests
None fail alcohol or drug portions

By Bayne Hughes
DAILY Education Writer

hughes@decaturdaily.com · 340-2432

Decatur City Schools had their first drug test failures during November's random tests, but not for drugs or alcohol.

According to Supervisor for Safety and Alternative Education Phil Hastings, four students failed the tobacco portion of the random tests given to students participating in competitive extracurricular activities.

"All of the students admitted to it (smoking cigarettes or using smokeless tobacco), and are taking steps to stop using it," Hastings said.

The penalties for positive nicotine use are not as harsh as the penalties for drugs and alcohol. School officials notify the student's parents or guardians and the sponsor of the student's activity for a first violation. The major consequence is the student must participate in the monthly random drug tests for the remainder of the school year.

A second failure would require the student to participate in tobacco education classes. A student would not be suspended from participating in the activity until the third positive test.

In contrast, a student would be immediately suspended from an activity on the first failure for illegal drugs or alcohol until a negative retest. The student would also have to attend mandatory substance abuse counseling.

Hastings said 79 high school students, with 40 at Austin and 29 at Decatur, took the November tests. This is the second month for the tests and, so far, none of the students failed the drug or alcohol portions.

"I'm not surprised that we haven't had any, but I won't be surprised if we have any test positive," Hastings said.

"Most of these kids are athletes and we told them in advance of our plans. Most of these students usually meet expectations, but at some point we will have some fail."

Cross section

Hastings said he was pleased with cross section of students chosen for the tests for the second straight month.

"We got a wide selection of students from all backgrounds, all grades and all activities," Hastings said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: decatur; drugtests; nicotine; pufflist; rights; smoke; students
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Random testing of students.
First it was the military, then private business, now the schools.
And it's testing for NICOTINE!
1 posted on 12/05/2002 1:05:10 PM PST by Just another Joe
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To: *puff_list; red-dawg; Fiddlstix; RikaStrom; robomatik; ladyinred; error99; Max McGarrity; Gabz; ...
This ticks me off for two reasons.
Number one, it singles out the students who want to participate in extracurricular activities.
Number two, it tests for NICOTINE.
2 posted on 12/05/2002 1:06:57 PM PST by Just another Joe
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To: Just another Joe
"Citizen Joe...#52436...stand in front of your monitor and participate in the calisthenics!"

'Now ONE..and TWO..and...;^)

Do not question the actions of the State.
3 posted on 12/05/2002 1:13:15 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: Just another Joe
May the neo-conservatives long enjoy the pit that the WOD has dug for them. Do authoritarians float?
4 posted on 12/05/2002 1:14:38 PM PST by SandfleaCSC
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To: Just another Joe
Scary stuff. More people have died because of authoritarian governments than have died from smoking.
5 posted on 12/05/2002 1:17:56 PM PST by Blue Screen of Death
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To: SandfleaCSC
Do authoritarians float?

Let's try and see if they float with large rocks attached to them.

If they float, they're devils :)

6 posted on 12/05/2002 1:18:49 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: DAnconia55
:) LOL
7 posted on 12/05/2002 1:22:13 PM PST by SandfleaCSC
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To: Just another Joe
What is scary is that in order to justify continuing the random testing some students MUST FAIL, and that's what these educrats are hoping. Talk about mixed messages.
8 posted on 12/05/2002 1:23:29 PM PST by widowithfoursons
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To: Just another Joe
Are the congress and the senate, public school teachers, and all local, city and federal workers, (other then the military) subject to routine drug testing?
9 posted on 12/05/2002 1:28:32 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Just another Joe
It's all B.S. they should not be able to test for anything in my opinion unless they are causing problems at school and even then only with a Parents consent. I can see what's next, parental testing as well. I think not!
10 posted on 12/05/2002 1:29:24 PM PST by HELLRAISER II
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To: Just another Joe
Nanny State Fascism (for the good of the children, of course) has won.
11 posted on 12/05/2002 1:31:37 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Some are and some are not.
It depends on where you are an employ and what your job happens to be.
CONGRESS? You MUST be jesting. Why would the dukes and earls of the aristocracy be tested, or held accountable, for ANYTHING?
12 posted on 12/05/2002 1:35:39 PM PST by Just another Joe
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Are the congress and the senate, public school teachers, and all local, city and federal workers, (other then the military) subject to routine drug testing?

Probably not. I bet the argument you'd be given is "extracurricular activities are a privilege, not a requirement". Of couse, that's BS.

Nicotene? What's next: caffeine, ibuprofin, aspirin, obesity, too much sugar? The potential to get personal information about potential medical problems is not a good thing.

As far as individual freedoms go, I'm very afraid. Nobody should have to give up their right to privacy to be on the Track Team or whatever. And redoctrination classes? It's scary.

13 posted on 12/05/2002 1:38:13 PM PST by grania
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Are the congress and the senate, public school teachers, and all local, city and federal workers, (other then the military) subject to routine drug testing?

If they were, it would assure the policy never changed. It would only leave the congressional jobs open to people who support and can pass such testing. In Georgia they have made it so a person has got to be paid up in his taxes to run. In effect no tax protestor can even run for office now. All office holders will be in support of taxes from now on.

14 posted on 12/05/2002 1:39:38 PM PST by Lysander
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To: Just another Joe
This is ABSURD.

What about second hand smoke?

Last time I checked cigarettes were legal in 50 states. Most states require 21 years of age to buy, but I've never seen a teenager arrested for smoking.

SMOKING IS LEGAL. What are the tobacco police going to do next?

15 posted on 12/05/2002 1:40:18 PM PST by George from New England
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To: grania
extracurricular activities are a privilege, not a requirement

Extracurricular activities are funded by my tax dollars, not your money or your decision. You p.c. police are out of control. If I fund it you don't have the basis for denying my children's participation.

16 posted on 12/05/2002 1:44:11 PM PST by George from New England
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To: George from New England
George, you misread my post. I said that this argument is BS. I'm really not politically correct on this one.
17 posted on 12/05/2002 1:46:13 PM PST by grania
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To: All
Now all you students take out your dictionaries and look up the definition of tyranny
18 posted on 12/05/2002 1:49:46 PM PST by fifteendogs
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To: grania
I bet the argument you'd be given is "extracurricular activities are a privilege, not a requirement".

You're probably right but I don't think that a student wanting to participate in extracurricular activities should be held to a different standard than a student that doen't want to participate.
I'm against drug testing as a whole and random drug testing in particular. There is too much room for abuse of the process.

19 posted on 12/05/2002 2:00:49 PM PST by Just another Joe
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To: Just another Joe
First it was the military, then private business, now the schools. And it's testing for NICOTINE!

Pretty soon it will be for "Hoppe's Number 9". This is what happens when you allow the evil that is the DARE program into your schools.I personally know of parents who were called in to their daughters school to "discuss a problem",and when they got there the problem turned out to be that their daughters had informed on them for smoking in their own home,and in the presence of their children. They got a short lecture about how this was abusive to their children,and that they needed to go outside to smoke. This is only ONE small step from arrest for child abuse,and this WILL happen in the future. The stage has already been set.

The only "sweet" part about this particiluar case is that the woman was a cop herself. For some strange reason she doesn't seem to be as big a fan of the DARE program as she used to be.

20 posted on 12/05/2002 2:13:44 PM PST by sneakypete
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