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Scientist unravels knotty problem
Yahoo! News ^ | Wed Dec 4, 2:21 PM ET | Reuters

Posted on 12/04/2002 6:50:22 PM PST by yonif

An Australian mathematician has solved a problem that has confronted generations of youngsters and stumped a few adults -- lacing shoes.

Most people use the criss-cross or the straight lace technique but Burkard Polster, of the Monash University in Victoria, Australia, has shown that although they are the strongest, neither is the most efficient method.

"We demonstrate mathematically that the shortest lacing is neither of these, but instead is a rarely used and unexpected type of lacing known as bow-tie lacing," Polster said in research reported in the science journal Nature.

The bow-tie technique, in which the laces go across from one eyelet to another, down to the next one and then criss-cross in a repeating pattern, uses all of the shoe's eyelets but the least amount of lace.

"When you think about it, learning to lace and tie shoes is a major hurdle that we all had to overcome while growing up," Polster said in an interview.

He incorporated friction, eyelet alignment and the material of the laces in his equation, but he doesn't expect his findings to change the way people lace their shoes.

"For me it was a fun, quirky problem to think about for a while," he said.

Polster's preferred method is the criss-cross, although he does admit to sometimes straight lacing one shoe and criss-crossing on the other.

But he has no doubt about the best knot to use. Although people prefer the granny knot, the square, or reef knot, is better and tests have shown that it is unlikely to come undone.

If knots, lacing techniques and mathematical formulas are just too complicated, there is always Velcro.

"I think it is conceivable that now there might be a few kids who will never master these tasks," Polster added.


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1 posted on 12/04/2002 6:50:22 PM PST by yonif
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To: yonif
Did he get paid for this discovery? Maybe Australian tax-dollars?
2 posted on 12/04/2002 6:52:57 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: LiteKeeper; yonif
Pictures?
3 posted on 12/04/2002 6:55:23 PM PST by IncPen
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To: yonif
Blest be the tie that binds.
4 posted on 12/04/2002 7:02:03 PM PST by Rocky
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To: yonif
Scientist unravels knotty problem,

Now if they ca only solve those pesky pictures problem

5 posted on 12/04/2002 7:08:45 PM PST by itsahoot
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To: yonif
"If knots, lacing techniques and mathematical formulas are just too complicated, there is always Velcro. "

I don't think I've seen velcro shoes since about 1988.

6 posted on 12/04/2002 7:29:13 PM PST by TonyBanks
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To: yonif
Only problem - it only works on this shoe:


7 posted on 12/04/2002 7:33:42 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: IncPen
"#*&%$#^& !!! "


8 posted on 12/04/2002 7:37:31 PM PST by ErnBatavia
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To: Tennessee_Bob
That's a really big shoe!

Sorry, somebody had to say it.

9 posted on 12/04/2002 7:37:44 PM PST by HHFi
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To: TonyBanks
I don't think I've seen velcro shoes since about 1988.

You don't cruise the "Publik Skools" shoe section of Walmart much, do ya?

10 posted on 12/04/2002 7:38:55 PM PST by ErnBatavia
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To: yonif
Anyone remember snap-flaps?
11 posted on 12/04/2002 7:50:21 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: yonif
Will it work with a big belly ?
12 posted on 12/04/2002 7:55:28 PM PST by tubebender
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To: yonif
Are sutures done this way?
13 posted on 12/04/2002 8:12:28 PM PST by Consort
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To: yonif
I think I was in the sixth grade when a shoe saleman showed me how to lace my shoes in this manner. I don't think he was a scientist! I laced my broggans and boots in this fashion while in the military 'cause it looked cool. Many uninitiated asked for tutoring on this lacing methodology!
14 posted on 12/04/2002 8:17:06 PM PST by Young Werther
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To: yonif
His next grant: Can a person ever forget how to ride a bike?
15 posted on 12/04/2002 8:18:40 PM PST by patriot5186
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To: IncPen
This whole thing is folly. The advantage of this pattern is infinitesimal. The reduction in lace length is only the tangent of the grommet thickness/tongue gap (effectively zero) while it drastically increases the resistance to adjust the tension.

The original article in the pop-science rag Nature can be found here with the full paper available for purchase here.

A picture of the pattern in question:


16 posted on 12/04/2002 8:40:47 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Ronaldus; ErnBatavia
Thank you.

I'm still waiting for someone to weigh in to explain to us the 'trickle down' aspects of this discovery.

17 posted on 12/04/2002 8:57:23 PM PST by IncPen
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To: yonif
One of the first thing the Navy teaches in marlinspike is that granny knots will slip, square knots not.
18 posted on 12/04/2002 9:25:26 PM PST by gcruse
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
Or one can look at the results of John Halton:

The Shoelace Problem. University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Department of Computer Science Technical Report No. 92-032 (1992) 19 pp. Mathematical Intelligencer, 17 (1995) pp. 1-6.

19 posted on 12/04/2002 9:57:36 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic
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