ABORTION QUICK FACTS

When does the unborn baby’s heart begin to beat?
The heartbeat begins between the eighteenth and twenty-fifth day.

When does the brain begin to function?
Electrical brain waves have been recorded as early as forty days.

How early can a baby survive outside the mother’ womb?
Currently, twenty weeks is considered the accepted minimum. However, this time will be reduced as medical technology continues to improve.

What about cases of rape and incest?
Pregnancy from rape is extremely rare. A study of one thousand rape victims who were treated after the rape reported no pregnancies. There are no known studies of incest cases. Medically, we know pregnancy in these cases would be rare. As reasons for legalizing abortion rape and incest are nothing more than emotional screens used by those profiting from abortion.

But what about the child with disease who will die a slow death or live his life as a burden to his family?
Do you believe the new “ethic” should be that we kill the suffering or burdensome? Some of these cases are tragic, some are also inspirational. We cannot assume the responsibility for killing an unborn child simply because the child has not yet been seen in public. The child’s place of residence does not change what abortion does - kill a human being.

What about the population boom?
We can hardly feed the people of the world now! True, the population of the world is growing, but population is not a problem in the United States. The U.S. death rate is now greater than the birth rate and our present population is growing older. Population growth or decline compares replacement of the current number of reproductive age individuals with the number of babies being born. By this measure, the United States is now in a sharp population decline. One recent projection of the population has predicted that around the year 2000, half of the population will be over 50 and a third will be over 65. The impact upon our society will be tremendous.

How can a girl give up her own baby for adoption and go through life never knowing what is happening to her child?
Which is better to remember, “I gave my baby life. And because I loved him, I gave him into the arms of a loving couple” - or to remember, “I selfishly ended my baby’s life?”

From 1973-1998 over 38 million Americans were aborted, more than the total populations of New York City, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Washington D.C., Chicago, Houston, Phoenix, San Diego, Dallas, San Antonio, Detroit, San Jose, Indianapolis, San Francisco, Jacksonville, Columbus, Austin, Baltimore, Memphis, Milwaukee, Boston, El Paso, Seattle, Denver, Nashville, Charlotte, Fort Worth, Portland, Oklahoma City, Tucson, New Orleans, Las Vegas, Cleveland, Long Beach, Albuquerque, Kansas City, Fresno, Virginia Beach, and Atlanta.

"What about cases of rape and incest?"

Most cases of incest involve an adult and a child. Therefore most incest cases are rape.

In cases of incest between adults, the risk to the baby is less than the risk to the child from being born to a women over 40. Not a reason to kill the child.

Incest should not be considered at all as a reason to abort.

People are horified, that in the future, there will be only 2 workers paying the social security for every social security receipent.

Guess what? If the average number of kids in a family is two, that's what you get!

1/3 of the pregnancys in the U.S. end in abortion. Are we stupid or what?

Pregnancy from rape is extremely rare. A study of one thousand rape victims who were treated after the rape reported no pregnancies.

Yes, but please remember that this is because it is routine to administer a "morning after" pill as part of rape treatment, and many extremist anti-abortion activists wish to outlaw the morning after pill as well.

There are no known studies of incest cases. Medically, we know pregnancy in these cases would be rare.

Huh? How would we know that? What possible medical basis could there be for such an assumption? This is starting to sound like that nutty politician (can't recall his name) who claimed a few years back that women don't get pregnant from rape because when they aren't enjoying it they secrete some special fluid that prevents conception. Yeah, sure, only no physician on the planet had ever heard of such a thing, and the nutty politician became the laughingstock of the national news media for a couple of weeks, 'til he was forced to retract his idiotic statement.

People are horified, that in the future, there will be only 2 workers paying the social security for every social security receipent.

Well they shouldn't be horrified by this. Since most people spend about two thirds of their adult life working and one third in retirement, this is the normal ratio for a stable population. Any higher ratio would constitute a pyramid scheme, which is bound to collapse eventually unless a perpetually increasing number of people are added to the bottom level of the scheme each year -- which is obviously not possible on a planet of limited size.

"Yes, but please remember that this is because it is routine to administer a "morning after" pill as part of rape treatment, and many extremist anti-abortion activists wish to outlaw the morning after pill as well."

thats because we "extremists" know that the bundle of flesh is: growing, consuming, and changing. by deffinition it is alive the moment the sperm hits the egg. and as it has human genes, and will grow to assume a form that we can recognize as such, it is human. taking a pill to kill this new human is about the same as pouring acid on a child. ever seen a person who survived the pill? they usually have some distortions in their look. this is attributed to the pill. the pill disolves the flesh, and eats the tissue. it is a slow and painful death, and is wrong, as the unborn hasnt even commited its first sin yet, and so it could in no way deserve death.

you want birth control? (A) dont have sex, or (B) get some tubes tied!

(original statement)There are no known studies of incest cases. Medically, we know pregnancy in these cases would be rare. ()

"Huh? How would we know that? What possible medical basis could there be for such an assumption? This is starting to sound like that nutty politician (can't recall his name) who claimed a few years back that women don't get pregnant from rape because when they aren't enjoying it they secrete some special fluid that prevents conception. Yeah, sure, only no physician on the planet had ever heard of such a thing, and the nutty politician became the laughingstock of the national news media for a couple of weeks, 'til he was forced to retract his idiotic statement. "

the medical basis is: incest is rare, pregnancy is also rare... the chance of a few chance sexual encounters producing a child are minute at most. they don't have actual people that have been interiewed for this, but by records, this is the case.

Except that incest is rarely "a few chance sexual encounters". It is usually a situation where an adult lives with or otherwise has regular access to a child over a long period of time, and the sexual abuse usually goes on for a long time -- often for years, with various threats and psychological coercion used to keep the child from reporting it to anyone who would intervene.

Legal abortion under law, is just as wrong today, as illegal abortion was prior to 1967, when Colorado liberalized its abortion laws and in 1972, when New York, legalized abortion.

Roughly 93% of all abortions are done strictly for social reasons and personal convenience. The percentage of women in retrospect, who regarded their abortion as the taking of human life, is 96%*.
*Source: "Psycho-Social Stress Following Abortion", Anne Speckhard

U.S. Abortion Index

Wednesday December 4, 2002, 6:49 pm

Number of abortions since 6 pm today*: 147

Number of abortions so far today: 3,387

Number of abortions since January 1st, 2002: 1,417,509

So therefore the claim in the posted item that "pregnancy from rape is extremely rare" and so legalizing abortion in the case of rape is "nothing more than emotional screens used by those profiting from abortion" makes no sense, since it is only the "abortions" caused by morning after pills which make the pregnancies from rape so rare.

And where do you get all this nonsense about flesh-eating pills?

that "nonsense" comes from knowing two victims of non-completed abortions due to morning after pills.

"So therefore the claim in the posted item that "pregnancy from rape is extremely rare" and so legalizing abortion in the case of rape is "nothing more than emotional screens used by those profiting from abortion" makes no sense, since it is only the "abortions" caused by morning after pills which make the pregnancies from rape so rare."

you need to clear up what the hell you meant by this statement. also, by reading the phrases, you need to re-direct it as well. i said none of the comments you noted in that paragraph, and you seem to be linking several parts in an incorrect order from the main thread, which, if you trully saw the post in a non-linear-last-thing-said-has-no-relevance-to-next-thing-said fashion, would explane why you seem to not be able to grasp that killing a human when not for justice is wrong. death instituted by Man is a form of punishment. if you punish those who have not sinned, then you pervert the abilities of Man, making you evil in nature.

Huh? How would we know that?

Well genius, it is called lethal alleles. They are recessive genes that usually only come together and are expressed in those people that have the same rare lethal allele (family members). It's natures way of stopping genetic bottlenecks...or in other words automatic redneck birth control. It is thought that we all carry some type of lethal allele, and if you do, chances are high your family members carry that same allele (same genetics). I could disertate further, but it is probably beyond the scope of your mind, so I will spare you. But suffice it to say, I won't be the laughing stock of the liberal news media and so what!!

it is a slow and painful death, and is wrong, as the unborn hasnt even commited its first sin yet, and so it could in no way deserve death.

Sorry, dear. Your statement makes no sense. A morning-after pill aborts the fetus at a stage so early that it has no ability to feel pain. It doesn't even have differentiated cells at that point.

I'm no fan of abortion, even perhaps at this stage, but let's not dilute the facts with fantasies about 12-cell embryos feeling pain. Based on your assertion, if they could find a way to abort painlessly, there would be no reason to oppose it. If abortion is wrong, it's for other reasons.

i just said in earlier posts it is because the cells are growing, consuming and changing. this makes it alive.

my assertion that it is slow and painful is based on what i know from my friends that it can be painful at times to be alive even now, after having the poisons of a morning after wash over your body in early development. it leaves scars. to the best of my knowledge, nothing that feels good leaves scars. and it is slow also. it tears the cells apart. thats how someone may survive. you dont hear about people with cars dropped on their heads standing a chance of living. thats an instant death. you hear about cancer patients living through their pain that they may or may not survive. thats a slow death. you dont survive quick deaths, so it must be slow. the person may not have pain receptors that early in life, but the pain can carry over into the next developmental stages, when all of a sudden, the outter layer of skin isnt present. (imagine shaving off your skin to the last needed layers, just to keep you together, on every inch of your body. now imagine the healing process and how raw you will be for the rest of your life.)

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