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James Bond's gun maker set to buy Heckler & Koch
The Independent ^ | December 1 2002 | David Brierley

Posted on 12/01/2002 3:03:27 PM PST by knighthawk

BAE Systems is poised to sell Heckler & Koch, its German handgun and rifle maker. The sale is awaiting formal approval from the US and UK defence ministries, both of which are Heckler & Koch customers.

The purchaser is a German investor group headed by Umarex, which owns CarlWalther, maker of the legendary Walther PPK handgun favoured by James Bond.

Heckler & Koch makes the G36 rifle used by the German, Spanish and British armies. It also supplies special forces such as the SAS and its German equivalent, GSG-9, with handguns and machine guns.

The British army accounts for around one-fifth of Heckler & Koch's sales.

Based in south-west Germany and employing around 500 people, Heckler & Koch is believed to have sales of some £90m. While the company might fetch a similar amount, BAE Systems has had some difficulty finding a buyer. A sale to US gun- maker Colt fell through.

Phil Soucy, a spokesman for BAE, admitted: "It has been thought for some time that it does not form part of our strategy. It is a profitable business that's very much at the top end of the gun market."

BAE Systems has a strategy of concentrating on "hi-tech" weapons systems. Heckler & Koch manufactures machine guns, hand guns and grenade launchers, as well as rifles.

The MP5, frequently used by special forces, has become the world's most popular submachine gun, while the HK P7 is one of the world's most famous handguns.

The Mark 23 handgun is used by the US Navy Seals and US Army Special Operations Command. Heckler & Koch enjoys a strong reputation for product development. Its latest weapons are made almost entirely of high-strength polymers.

Heckler & Koch has been involved in the controversy surrounding the SA-80 assault rifle used by the British Army. It was asked to help upgrade the rifle, manufactured by British Ordnance, after it jammed repeatedly in the Gulf War. However, there have been recent reports of the upgraded SA-80 A2 failing in Kosovo and Afghanistan.


TOPICS: Germany; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: baesystems; bang; banglist; britian; germany; hecklerandkoch; hecklerkoch; uk; umarex; waltherppk
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1 posted on 12/01/2002 3:03:27 PM PST by knighthawk
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2 posted on 12/01/2002 3:04:06 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: knighthawk
UK's 92m army rifle 'misfires'
3 posted on 12/01/2002 3:04:31 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: *bang_list
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4 posted on 12/01/2002 3:11:55 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: knighthawk
The Mark 23 handgun is used by the US Navy Seals

Do the SEALs really use the Mark 23 crew-served handgun? I thought a lot of them were using Sigs. Don't get me wrong, I have a USP and like it a lot, I just am wondering how much of this "Navy SEALs use Mark 23s" is really HK ad copy.

5 posted on 12/01/2002 3:14:25 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: RogueIsland; Travis McGee
MK23 is a task specific weapon. Standard sidearm is indeed the SIG as I have observed it. Albeit a whole sh*tload of different makes, brands and calibers are in their armories the SIG and 1911A1 is the one I saw most when I worked "around" them.....

Stay Safe

6 posted on 12/01/2002 3:24:56 PM PST by Squantos
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To: RogueIsland
It was selected as the official SOCOM side-arm.

I browsed around a bit, and found this:

http://home.earthlink.net/~scrhymer/section1.htm

The Mark 23 version of the USP is the standard issue of the US Navy Seal teams.

And this one (it's a PDF-file)

http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/pages/ corporate/pdfs/gw_usp45.pdf
7 posted on 12/01/2002 3:25:42 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: harpseal
FYI
8 posted on 12/01/2002 3:26:58 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: Squantos
Thanks, Squantos. Don't own a Mk 23, as I don't want to take out a second mortgage, but I do have two SIGs (P220 and P232) and one HK (USP 45) and I think both manufacturers are really top notch (although the USPs I think have become a bit overpriced since I bought mine). I wouldn't feel badly served with either one of them.
9 posted on 12/01/2002 3:30:30 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: RogueIsland
What's a "crew-served handgun"? A really big pistol? Is it bipod or tripod mounted?

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

10 posted on 12/01/2002 3:32:29 PM PST by wku man
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To: knighthawk
Thanks for the links, knighthawk. I did know that SOCOM had selected the Mk 23, but I just haven't heard of it really being used in the field by the SEALs. Of course, it's not like any civy like myself is really privy to what those guys are using anyway. The photos I've seen from Afghanistan show a number of Sigs, but as Squantos said, the Mk 23 is task specific, and I wouldn't expect anyone but a masochist to carry one as a duty sidearm.
11 posted on 12/01/2002 3:35:00 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: knighthawk
I thought that 007 / Sean Connery opted for a Beretta over the British standard issue Walther PPK.
12 posted on 12/01/2002 3:36:36 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: wku man
What's a "crew-served handgun"? A really big pistol?

It's become a sort of in-joke to refer to the Mk 23 as the "crew served handgun" because the sucker is just plain BIG for a handgun. I don't think it's intended as a denigration of the Mk 23, just as a sort of affectionate jibe, like BUFF (Big Ugly Fat... err... Fellow) for the B-52.

13 posted on 12/01/2002 3:37:59 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: Cobra64
I thought that 007 / Sean Connery opted for a Beretta over the British standard issue Walther PPK.

My memory may be wrong here, but I believe I read that Ian Flemming, who was not exactly an expert on firearms, changed Bond's gun from a Beretta to a Walther after it was pointed out to him that, at the time, the Beretta was considered a "lady's gun". Again, I could be remembering that wrong. A Bond historian will soon chime in to confirm or deny that, I'm sure.

14 posted on 12/01/2002 3:41:31 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: RogueIsland
I don't have a Mk23 either. I've got some range time with one but consider it too big for it's purpose. My only HK handgun is a P9S in 45 that I've had for a looooong time. The barrel is threaded but I elected to forego the can for it as I don't like NFA Stasi sorts rummaging through my toy box as they see fit per se.

Agree on the SIG's I have the 220, 228 and recently picked up a 239 (.357SIG) which I really enjoy.

Stay Safe !

15 posted on 12/01/2002 3:43:38 PM PST by Squantos
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To: Cobra64
Bond doesn't use a PPK in the latest "Die Another Day" film in fact I think he uses a Beretta.
16 posted on 12/01/2002 4:03:11 PM PST by Falcon4.0
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To: Falcon4.0
Bond doesn't use a PPK in the latest "Die Another Day" film in fact I think he uses a Beretta.

Are you sure he isn't using a Walther P99 as his issue sidearm? I think that's the one he's been using since "The World is not Enough".

17 posted on 12/01/2002 4:18:48 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: RogueIsland
By jobe, I think your right! I found it at http://www.saftek.com/firearms/walther.htm
18 posted on 12/01/2002 4:53:27 PM PST by Falcon4.0
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To: knighthawk
That's why the Brits are using the H&H G36. Tough to be in a fight and have your gun jam up.

US found out the hard way in Vietnam when the original M-16s crapped out in combat.

snooker
20 posted on 12/01/2002 5:02:50 PM PST by snooker
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