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To: LindaSOG
>Remember G-d told Abraharm see stars in the skies that be number of descendants

That's a wonderful part of the Bible.  However the tiny number of Jews on earth (~12 Million) don't come even close to fulfilling this promise.  It was to the OTHER Israelites (~ 1 BILLION) that the promise of a GREAT NATION was made, and has been fulfilled.

Genesis 12 was addressed to Abram (later Abraham), but Abraham was neither an Israelite nor a Jew:

Genesis 12:2-3 "I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing.  I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."

There were no Jews at the time of Abraham, There were not even any Israelites.  There would not be any Jews for another ~1,500 years.  

The "Great Nation" provision is important because since it was promised by God it will (or has) come true.  As we examine the Israelites history it is clear those Israelites called Jews were never a great nation and are not one today.  They don't come even close to ranking among the worlds great powers.

However, the other Israelites, the Northern Kingdom/LostTribes/Celts/Europeans/Americans are The Greatest POWER (Nation) in the history of the world.  No nation in the history of the world has been a greater blessing to all the people of the earth than these Northern Kingdom Israelites!

And the other promises to Abram do enure to certain of his offspring as told in: Genesis 17:19-21

19. And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
20. And as for Ish'ma-el, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
21. But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

Isaacs seed includes Jacob (renamed Israel), and those who follow in that chain are called Israelites.  All these Israelites received the promises of Abraham.  But Israelites are not just those few who much later became known as Jews.

94 posted on 12/01/2002 11:17:05 AM PST by LostTribe
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To: LostTribe
I have seen and read these types of theories before.

I do not have the background or Education to dispute them.

I think that we can all agree that the Jewish People of Israel today are descendants of the Israelites or Jews of Antiquity. Those other Children of the 10 "lost" tribes have long ago assimilated into wherever. They should not be considered as heirs to Abrahams promise from God in the Bible.

These Jewish people have been trodden upon by Gentiles for Millennia. From Antiochus To Titus and on through the Middle Ages! The Jews as we recognize them have been kicked out of almost every country ever known, including their own.

From Spain To Russia, and most of Arabia. The Jews have always been oppressed. It is well known of course they did thrive in such wonderful places such as Poland and Germany. That sure worked out well.

They say that Esau gave up his heritage for a bowl of soup! The Promise had it`s continuity in the Sons of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. We do not hear too much about the Sons of Esau, yet he was first born.

It is yet to be seen how many Jews there will be. The first Commandment in the Bible to man from God was to be fruitful and multiply! I think that we could see exactly that. Time will tell!

The Jewish people have contributed more to Civization than any other ethnic group on the face of the Earth! This all in the face of incredible adversity, and oppression!

The Jews thrive under oppression it seems to me. Should we continue to oppress Jews? I do not think so. The Jews are not going to be walking into any more ovens soon. They will stand and fight and they will pervail.

These people who are trying to destroy them wether by bombs or subterfuge such as Political maneuvering, even foolish history revisions (I really do not believe your theory) or any other means will not succeed in destroying those people.

I shall always support Israel.

101 posted on 12/01/2002 11:47:17 AM PST by Radix
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