Loony 'chosen people' vow revenge (South Africa)

Mail & Guardian ^ | 30 November 2002 13:19 | Hannes de Wet and Mariette le Roux Hannes de Wet and Mariette le Roux

[toddst]

The statement said members of the Boeremag were not rightwingers or ultra-rightwingers.

"We introduce ourselves as fighters of the Holy Father and the Boer nation."

The statement was peppered with Bible quotes and references to holy revenge on behalf of "the chosen people". It said it would not tolerate "heathen temples" or trading on a Sunday. No names or contact numbers were given in the statement, signed off: "Krygers van die Boerevolk" (Warriors of the Boer nation).

This warrants watching. Thanks for the post. Is the SA govt. setting the stage for pushing whites out of the country?

[norton]

It's working real well right next door ... why not?

For some time to come, most of africa will remain an experiment that failed.

[Righty1]

Understand this where you live: Karl Rove feels the same way about repuds who favor secure borders and the english language as the thugs ruling S.A. feel about the Boers. If it is up to King Karl we will not be allowed any self defense as his future voters swarm over our homeland! Karl believes that the repuds should "purge the EXTREME right who don't want these fine people here". I bet he also wishes the pro-lifers and Christians could be banished. This man is a combo of Goebels and Bormann. Just beause he is putatively on our side doesn't make him any less of a mortal danger. Does anyone else think that the sudden onslaught of accusations against the CC was well timed to divert scrutiny away from Muslims and Hispanic illegals who just happen to figure prominently in Karl's future majority. I wish I could issue a Fatwah but I'll have to settle for a traitor alert!!!

[archy]

[Is the SA government setting the stage for pushing whites out of the country?]

It's working real well right next door ... why not?

With 2500 a week dying in Zim now, and that number likely to jump by an order of magnitude once the starvation deaths, anthrazx outbreaks and typhus tolls add to that of the ongoing AIDS epidemic, I think it quite likely that the munts running SA will make the same mistake. But unlike the former Rhodesians, the Boers won't wait a decade before unleashing their own operation *operation hatchet* on the continent.

And they may well have another little surprise to put in play available, as well....

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[Ohioan]

I think that you give Karl too much credit for intelligence. In my opinion the man is simply too stupid to really understand what he is doing. He focuses on only one or two aspects of any phenomenon, and is simply unable to really conceive of the real dynamic interaction of all of the factors in human society.

He convinces people that he is bright, because he is probably very up on those one or two aspects on which he does focus--a variety of tunnel vision. But he misses the forest for the trees.

That he is dangerous, I will grant you. But do not suppose that he has some realistic scheme, to actually advance any particular agenda. A realist would realize that there is no future for Karl Rove, any more than for you or I, in the nightmare consequences of what he is promoting. There is no conceivable reason for the new "Americans" to embrace Karl Rove as their leader! Nor is it likely, in the coming social chaos--if this trend continues--that what remains of the old America will want to thank him.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

[Ohioan]

I have always thought that it was a tragedy that the South Africans gave up their nuclear weapons, and agreed to a consolidated "Democratic" State, in place of the diverse Nations that formerly shared the area that the world recognized as South Africa. (Forgive that somewhat garbled statement. For those who understand what Apartheid was really about--rather than the vicious slander of Afrikaner intentions, that has been taught as fact in Western Universities--all I am saying is that they abandoned Apartheid.)

As the targets of international hatemongers, it was imperative to have a first rate defense establishment. Hence their development of not only atomic weapons, but perhaps the best mobilie artilery system in the world at the same time. (The Afrikaners, going back before the Boer War have always liked maximum fire power.) They also were in the forefront of Laser research (one of the themes of an unpublished novel, that was the actual prequel to the one for which my site is named).

What is most striking in all of this, from our American perspective, is the fact which will only be fully appreciated by Americans who had a chance to spend some time in the Old South Africa, that the Afrikaner history is that which more closely parallels the American Settler experience than that of any other people in the world. If there is one foreign nation with which Americans can closely identify, without compromising the Washington/Jefferson policy of avoiding entanglements, it is that of the Afrikaner.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

[crystalk]

"Elohim" does NOT mean "angels."

It is often translated as "God" or "gods" in the English translations of the Bible.

The original meaning of the word is "celestials, extraterrestrials."

The Hebrew word for "angels" would be "malakhim".

[Righty1]

I guess that you are saying that KR is a political savant? Then who is the puppet master? Does GW even know that he is a tool of the same gray conspirators that ruined his father's presidency? Like the Afrikaners I am having a hard time seeing any way out from here.

[crystalk]

Never underestimate a Boer. Nor a Bush.

What have they got to lose, they have been sentenced to genocide, extinction as a nation, a race, and a people, just like the Jews were by Hitler and also in the Purim story.

In their distress they may cry out to the Calvinist God, they are among the few who believe in Him any more, but in His day He was quite a Power to be Reckoned With, ask ole Ben Franklin or Cotton Mather or Peter Stuyvesant.

[crystalk]

PS What ever happened to the 24 heavyweight nukes, and the 1000 tac-nukes, that the bad old SA government used to have twenty years ago?

Or the undisclosed number of neutron bombs (doves)....

[dennisw]

PS What ever happened to the 24 heavyweight nukes, and the 1000 tac-nukes, that the bad old SA government used to have twenty years ago?

I don't think it ever could have been that many. How about 5 nukes total?

[Int]

"Elohim" does NOT mean "angels."

I wondered about that too when I first read it.

[crystalk]

Oh, my info indicated quite an arsenal in SA, including the vital neutron bombs. But if there were just five, where are THEY?

[dennisw]

I only have guesses...no info. I just can't concieve of SA having made too many nukes. Israel has plenty of enemy targets on it's list. Who would the SA have used a nuke on? Itself? One of the Black homelands?

Arab nations are a constant menace. SA was not in the same situation...

[CWRWinger]

Got to like those Boers. I hope they throw the ANC communists of of S.A. and return the country to its former glory and prosperity.

[crystalk]

Wherever they are, I suspect they will be used for good, not evil, they may be the last arrows in the quiver of Western aka Judeo-Christian, civilisation if things continue to deteriorate. Antidote to Islamic bomb?

I understand that these things are known in Israel, who helped build them, and that some may be stored/manufactured in Namibia or Botswana...which have areas where the ostensible governments of those countries look the other way...

Mayble I had better shut up. Red letters below say "LLSS."

Africa today looks like Nicaragua did 145 years ago to Walker, just up for grabs to any freebooter who happens along.

[crystalk]

Oh, the SA nuke force was intended to be used against any Communist or UN force that came to do by force, what was done in 1991-94 ff without firing a shot. There had been talk of a Western army, mostly USA, being raised and coming against SA to destroy it by force; the nuke deterrent would have prevented that. That is why the emphasis on tak nukes and on the "doves" which destroy persons without wrecking infrastructure or ruining the land with radioactivity...

The Western ground force to do by violence [what was in fact done with no violence], giving the country over to the blacks and dispossessing the Boers and leaving them homeless, [if this isn't genocide what WOULD be?] would have had to be 300M men or so to beat the SADF. With the SA nukes, not possible at all-- the Boer in his Laager could have stood off the world indefinitely.

Q. Was the Boer promised something for later, or did he just lose his will to live in the face of his worldwide unpopularity at the then moment, and commit suicide? Or is he just PLAYING dead now?

[archy]

PS What ever happened to the 24 heavyweight nukes, and the 1000 tac-nukes, that the bad old SA government used to have twenty years ago?

I don't think it ever could have been that many. How about 5 nukes total?

Seven. One was expended in an open-ocean airburst test detected by the Vela 6911 satellite on 22 September 1979, and there's a possibility that a replacement for it was also built using engineering prototypes for some of the critical components. Plans to eventually rebuild and upgrade the South African devices by ARMSCOR around the year 2000 may mean that certain replacement elements beyond those needed for the proposed product improvement plan could have been used as a cover to build as many as three additional units, if the necessary additional nuclear material was also obtained; enough of the documentation and records from the SA nuclear program were destroyed that some such sleight-of-hand is possible. But the total number was around seven, certainly not more than a dozen.

The thousand-plus SA *tactical units* were not nuclear but chemical and bio-war weapons, largely from the Delta G, Roodeplaat Research Laboratories, and Spescop facilities, particularly those involved in the *Projekt Coast* efforts. The South African chemical/bio-war effort of the 1980s was said to be the second most productive in the world, behind only that of the Soviet Union at the time.

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[archy]

Oh, my info indicated quite an arsenal in SA, including the vital neutron bombs, But if there were just five, where are THEY?

A better question: if still around, how might they best be delivered. South Africa's crapped-out Canberra bombers and Hawker Siddeley/BAe Buccaneer strike aircraft were sufficient for those half-dozen or so devices of the 1970s/80s, and the planned follow-on, the South African-built Cheetah E could likely have air delivered such units up to the present day. But what now?

The earliest SA nukes weighed in at around a ton, a bit beyond what South Africa's proposed missile delivery systems could manage, hence a 1980s change to a preference for ChemBio payloads- more cost effective in any event, though downsizing of the bomb units with their proposed modernizetion might have been accomplished. But even in their original form, I guess one of the old South African Airways 747SPs might do it....

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