PRESIDENT BUSH SURPRISES PRO-LIFE LEADERS BY SELECTING KISSINGER FOR 9-11 POST

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[pfflier]

But what do his views on population control have to do with investigating the September 11, 2001 attacks?

A most excellent point.

The recent elections were by no means a mandate for any particular issue other than anti-terrorism and possibly anti-Democrat. The anti-abortion views of the Republican party have nothing whatsoever to do with this.

What lost control of the Senate last time was the perception of the voting independents and conservative Demoncrats that the paramount Republican issue was right to life, over running the country's economy and even over national defense.

[Polycarp]

And you swallow Askel5's bullshit about Kissinger hook, line, and sinker, Poly.

I have never seen anything Askel5 has posted regarding Bush or Kissinger. My knowledge of this stuff came from correspondence with a physician from the Phillipines, the head of HLI there, as well as the Diocese of Manila's web sites, and PRI and HLI. NSSM 2000 has had a devestating affect on these Catholic third world countries.

I'm sick to death of you Judie Brown followers who make the good the enemy of the perfect.

The article I posted came from Canada. Has Judie Brown commented on this too? Good for her if so.

I'm a CINO how, buster? I'm as pro-life as you, but I don't believe everything that spews from THE NEW AMERICAN.

I've never read it, buster. You smacked Don-o in the chops for his simple comments, buster, calling him a low-IQ idiot. And frankly those comments are the comments not of a Catholic but of one who stuck their finger in the air of non-conservative attitudes of this thread and found it safe to pile on.

You're going off half-cocked again.

You've provoked me again. Oh well...

Read up on Kissinger and NSSM 2000.

Talk to Third World pro-life leaders who have seen the effects of HIS policies first hand, as I have.

Then come back to this thread and apologize to me and Don-O, buster.

I expect this kind of crap from the self-professed "conservatives" on this Forum. You should know better.

[L.N. Smithee]

Rice should be sacked!

I agree. But sadly, she doesn't even know I am alive.

[skinny old man]

As near as I can tell,the issue missed is;Why was he resurrected at all?

Kissinger is your basic globalist,A CFR man member of the Tri Lateral Commission,a Bildeberger ect...

What about that?

The birth control/abortion issue is a Rockefeller mandate anyway...

[Common Tator]

I was around when Nixon was president and Kissinger was first national Security adviser and then secretary of state.

Nixon was his own Secretary of state. But he was a real loner. Anyone who knew Nixon knew he had a half dozen people he dealt with and no one else.

Kissinger had all the power of a telephone. Nations, senators, congressmen, ambassadors et all, would talk to Kissinger. He would go talk to Nixon and then Kissinger got back to the contact with Nixon's decision. The only authority Kissinger had was to listen, ask Nixon and get back to the contact.

When Kissinger got appointed to be national security adviser he was a Professor at Harvard. Nixon came to trust him and soon the only way to do anything on foreign policy was see Henry. Henry would see Nixon and get back. The secretary of state did not like being out of the loop, so with the usual Nixon problem solving technique, Dick made Henry Secretary of state.

The media could not believe that any Republican president could tie his own shoes so they atributed every thing to Kissinger. Henry was their only real contact with the media on foreign affairs.

Even Jerry Ford ordered Kissinger around. Jerry, by the way, does a mean Kissinger imitation. It is a riot.

Nixon liked Henry because he was loyal, followed orders with German precision and kept his mouth shut.

Jerry Ford liked Henry because he was loyal, followed orders with German precision and kept his mouth shut.

Dubya Bush likes Henry because he is loyal, follows orders with German precision and keeps his mouth shut.

I do know that doing anything Nixon did not like or failure to do as you were told could cost you your job. That was one of his big problems. Nixons would just blow off steam and people like John Dean would go do it.

[sinkspur]

You're new. Those of us upbraiding for Polycarp for his litmus tests are as pro-life as he is, and probably more pro-life than you.

Kissinger's role on the 9/11 commission has nothing to do with abortion. Nothing.

But, in the Judie Brown world Polycarp and you, apparently, live in, pro-choicers ought to be rejected out of hand for anything.

That's brain-dead thinking.

[Polycarp]

Anyone who looks at my profile page knows my name from my links there. I'm certainly not hiding anything.

[11th Earl of Mar]

BTW, I am not a RINO, never been a DemocRAT, am anti-abortion, and the like but I still probably don't meet your description of a conservative because I don't run around the Country claiming the sky is falling if President Bush appoints someone who is not anti-abortion to a position that has nothing to do with abortion.

By Polycrap's logic, we should believe that Bill Clinton is a pro-lifer since he appointed an anti-abortion man [Boston Mayor Raymond Flynn?] to be the ambassador to the Vatican.

[sinkspur]

Talk to Third World pro-life leaders who have seen the effects of HIS policies first hand, as I have.

What do these have to do with the 9/11 commission?

What do these have to do with the 9/11 commission?

What do these have to do with the 9/11 commission?

Then come back to this thread and apologize to me and Don-O, buster.

Not likely, especially when we're up to 60 posts, and neither you nor he have said what any of this has to do with Kissinger's position on the 9/11 commission.

You despise pro-choicers. Bush, wisely, is not going to govern this country without the contributions of half of the population.

[power2]

Thanks for taking the point position of the pro-life crowd. The incoming fire is tremendous.

[11th Earl of Mar]

Choose carefully the hill that you, prolifers, will defend alone, because the armies need you and you need them to defeat the enemy.

My point is that we will not get anywhere if we choose to do battle like this.

And if we begin fights to keep all abortions supporters out of law enforcement, we will lose the war.

[Republican Wildcat]

Back again with more silly, dishonest, intellectual bankrupt posts, I see. Oh well. If you insist on continuing to make yourself look silly, be my guest.

[Polycarp]

This is demographic WARFARE, and this WARFARE has taken more lives via abortion and abortifacient contraceptives than all the lives lost to US military action in our country's history. Kissinger is personally guilty of the deaths of tens of millions of humans, snuffed out of existence by his NSSM 2000 policy level directives.

Comparisons to the Nazis have become cheap, a dime a dozen. Yet this one man's policy level decisions, spelled out in NSSM 2000, are probably directly responsible for more deaths than the Holocaust via abortions alone.

But to you, in your situational ethics little world, there's nothing wrong with appointing such a godless man, responsible for the blood of MILLIONS, to any position, as long as it has nothing to do with abortion?

And you have the unmitigated gall to insult the intelligence of Don-O?

[APBaer]

"any position, as long as it has nothing to do with abortion?"

So finally, 73 posts on, even you have to admit that Kissingers position has nothing to do with abortion.

[APBaer]

If being prolife is *YOUR* criterion for the 9/11 position why not nominate James Kopp, he's pro-life, well, at least partially?

[SwordofTruth]

And few of your comprehend what it truly means to be Christian when you so smugly shrug off your duties to protect His least ones.

Many here are Christians in word only, much like Bush.

[sinkspur]

But to you, in your situational ethics little world, there's nothing wrong with appointing such a godless man, responsible for the blood of MILLIONS, to any position, as long as it has nothing to do with abortion?

I'll need more sources than the flimsy stuff you've provided to believe your hyperbole about Kissinger.

Oh, and names, dates, situations where deaths occurred, number of deaths, etc. You know. The statistics that make accusations a reality, and not just pure hysteria.

[L.N. Smithee]

Do we all forget so soon that the Clinton administration considered all non-violent pro-life protestors to be domestic terrorists, and all its leaders worthy of FBI surveilance? And now a rabid pro-abort CINO, Tom Ridge, is in charge of a big brother/ big government leviathon, in charge of defining and identifying terrorists, domestic and foreign, that even Clinton couldn't have dreamed up.

Good God, dude, cool your jets!

With Al-Qaeda cells hiding in plain sight all over the country, and the possibility of ground-to-air rocket launchers fresh in the minds of everyone who is halfway paying attention, it's astounding that you think Ridge's priority is going to be the few and far between clinic bombers, much less peaceful protestors! Especially since pro-lifers will almost certainly benefit from more non-activist judges being chosen by the same President Bush and confirmed by a GOP-led Congress!

You FREeepers are a pathetic sort of conservatives, it seems. And few of your comprehend what it truly means to be Christian when you so smugly shrug off your duties to protect His least ones.

Hello, McFly, helloooo?

Explain how keeping Kissinger away from this job will protect a single one of them. And this time, try to make sense.

[narses]

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[Polycarp]

I don't give a damn what the position is, you don't appoint a Mengele wannabe to a supposedly pro-life Republican Administration's commission.

Is there any candidate you would oppose being placed in such a position, based on moral grounds alone, not political?