PRESIDENT BUSH SURPRISES PRO-LIFE LEADERS BY SELECTING KISSINGER FOR 9-11 POST

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[APBaer]

Do you get the feeling on here that some of the replies make absolutely no sense?

But they might in some parallel universe in which some of those posters dwell. You are exhibiting bias, and are evidently a Milky Waycentric.

[PhiKapMom]

LOL!!!!!!! Parallel universe is right!

[power2]

Power2 said:

"My, the world is now in much better shape than it was in prior to the widespread acceptance of birth control (sarcasm off).

stand2reason responded:

Wait a sec. Now I've heard that the reason for the crumbling of Western Civilization was prayer being taken out of schools. So which is right?

Both of the things listed above have had negative impact on society and the family. IMHO, birth control has contributed greatly to breakdown of the family structure and contributed to lessening of the value of human life by society.

Taking prayer out of schools has led us down a path of moral relativism that has helped create the mess our education system is in today.

[sinkspur]

IMHO, birth control has contributed greatly to breakdown of the family structure and contributed to lessening of the value of human life by society.

The Catholic Church supports birth control. It's called Natural Family Planning. I'm sure you know what it is.

Is it artificial birth control you have a problem with, or limiting births, period?

[APBaer]

"birth control has contributed greatly to breakdown of the family structure and contributed to lessening of the value of human life by society."

Fewer unwanted children/or bastards is bad?

[Long Cut]

I think that the idea that ANYONE can have sex free from worry about unwanted children drives some folks, for some reason, NUTS.

As Dean Wormer said:"No more fun of ANY kind!!"

I bet they turn off the lights, too. Pathetic, petty tyrants.

[power2]

The Catholic Church supports birth control. It's called Natural Family Planning. I'm sure you know what it is.

Is it artificial birth control you have a problem with, or limiting births, period? Good point, Sinkspur. It is indeed artificial birth control I am speaking of.

[APBaer]

"Pathetic, petty tyrants."

And they want their own similar thinking friends holding the levers of power over the rest of us. Even a slot on a totally unrelated Commission on 9/11 must be filled with one of "their own?"

I wonder what Mullah Omar did next in his similar quest?

[APBaer]

I take it then, that this isn't your bike?

[power2]

power2 said:

"birth control has contributed greatly to breakdown of the family structure and contributed to lessening of the value of human life by society."

APBaer responded:

Fewer unwanted children/or bastards is bad?

Nope, fewer unwanted children/or bastards would be a good thing. However, I believe the best way to avoid having such children is to not have pre-marital sex, and practice Natural Family Planning after marriage.

I don't know if you're Christian or not, so Christian arguements might not hold any sway with you or be useful in the discussion, but prior to the early 1900's EVERY major Christian denomination taught the artificial birth control was sinful and destructive.

[power2]

No, mine was blue.

[Long Cut]

BTW, I'm getting REAL tired of the repeated sermons of how only a "true Christian"(whatever THAT is) can be a conservative. A nice chunk of the GOOD CONSERVATIVES here are Jewish, and some (gasp!) are Atheists. This bigotry and outright religious prejudice is flat wrong, dumb, and shortsighted in the extreme. At the risk of hyperbole, this is the thinking of our Enemies.

Some folks need to get a salient fact through their overly-preachy skulls...NOT ALL PEOPLE FOLLOW THEIR RELIGION THE WAY THEY DO!!!. It is absolute arrogance in the extreme to expect someone to bow down to YOUR interpretation of a religion in all things, ESPECIALLY when some of your outbursts conflict with the LEADER of your religion.

Maybe, just maybe, if they quit their endless SPAMMING and PREACHING like wannabe Jim Bakkers, and recognized that there is a great deal of variety of viewpoints WITHIN the conservative canon, they might merit something besides ridicule.

From what I have seen on this thread, though, they are but whining fools, steeped in inflammatory rhetoric and slurs, one step removed from the Nazis they so like to compare others to.

I honestly believe that they DO NOT wish to actually WIN. That way, they can bray their brimstone (and collect yet more donations from their faithful suckers) unto eternity.

Now we have them claiming that BIRTH CONTROL, of all things, is responsible for Black Tuesday! That AMERICA herself sowed the seeds of her own brutal assault. Sorry, Altar Boys, but that's stupid on the order of "she asked for it", and is outright anti-Americanism. Nice job, now Bin Laden can include THAT one on his next video, and the skinwasters on the protest marches can use it, too.

They need to seek professional help, immediately. Their rhetoric adds NOTHING to any sane debate, and is completely unworthy of any response, save those pointing out the ludicrousness of them.

[PhiKapMom]

Hard to believe in this day and age that people would criticize others for using birth control! Sure a lot better than abortion due to a lack of birth control. But I guess they don't look at it that way.

Never have understood people being against birth control when it makes perfect sense if you don't want to have any more children, want to space them out, or don't want to get pregnant period. Artificial birth control is sure a lot less of a strain on a relationship IMO!

[APBaer]

"prior to the early 1900's EVERY major Christian denomination taught the artificial birth control was sinful and destructive."

Not only in a parallel universe but in a different time.

Perhaps you would be more comfortable dragging us back to the 19th century, after all, your emular, Mullah Omar, dragged his people all the way back to the Seventh.

[Long Cut]

How far, truly, are their tactics and methods from those of the communists? The Islamists? The Nazis?

From where I sit, only the "cause" seems to change. The fanatacism, the continuous rhetoric, the slash-and-burn tactics of bullying insteasd of persuasion, the emotion instead of reason, all looks entirely too familiar.

[APBaer]

"How far, truly, are their tactics and methods from those of the communists? The Islamists? The Nazis?"

Same page, different book.

[PhiKapMom]

BTW, I'm getting REAL tired of the repeated sermons of how only a "true Christian"(whatever THAT is) can be a conservative. A nice chunk of the GOOD CONSERVATIVES here are Jewish, and some (gasp!) are Atheists. This bigotry and outright religious prejudice is flat wrong, dumb, and shortsighted in the extreme. At the risk of hyperbole, this is the thinking of our Enemies.

Very well stated. Like you I am getting tired of phrases about "true Christian" -- just what does that mean? This birth control issue really grinds me -- they would prefer to bring unwanted children into the world then practice artificial birth control? That makes no sense! I guess this all goes along with the rhetoric about who can be a "true conservative" which I detest as much as the "true Christian" rhetoric and consider it insulting! Some of these people want to be judge and jury of the rest of us and determine who is the "true" anything really are going way over the top!

[APBaer]

"Maybe, just maybe, if they quit their endless SPAMMING and PREACHING like wannabe Jim Bakkers"

Perhaps it would help them if they remembered that:
Though the wages of sin are death,
the wages of Jim Bakker were Tammy Faye Bakker

[Theophilus]

Oh the transcendent irony of it all: if the blind Mr. Chairman to investigate what happened is the Minister of Molech, Abortion Evangelist, and Advocate in Chief, for that hideous sin which could very well have made us God's target. What will he find? That we didn't do enough to convince the Saudi's to murder their little martyrs before they were born? Are Saudi babies WMD's ?!?!?!? Just wait until the Chinese male surplus reaches a critical mass, then the American children that have survived gestation can just kissinger their fannies goodbye.

...backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful, who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

[APBaer]

Yoo Hoo, Theophilus, one of your disciples has just beamed in to add clarity to your position.