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To: FITZ
Mexicans don't usually pay taxes

Just for the record, this is simply not true.

Immigrants, illegal or otherwise, pay vitually all the same taxes anyone else does. They pay sales taxes, gas taxes, utility taxes, property taxes (via their rents), and so on. They typically have income taxes withheld from their pay-checks.

Immigrant bashing and $3.25 won't buy you admission to the Statue of Liberty. Nor will it win you the next election.

15 posted on 11/29/2002 7:02:07 AM PST by The Other Harry
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To: The Other Harry
I wasn't talking about immigrants, I was talking about the feasibility of the Mexican government reimbursing Americans for the costs of illegals ---American taxpayers will pay, not the Mexican taxpayers because they pay almost no taxes in Mexico.
16 posted on 11/29/2002 7:07:12 AM PST by FITZ
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To: The Other Harry
BTW ---illegals paying cash rarely pay income taxes here either.
17 posted on 11/29/2002 7:08:27 AM PST by FITZ
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To: The Other Harry
"Mexicans don't usually pay taxes"

Just for the record, this is simply not true.

Immigrants, illegal or otherwise, pay vitually all the same taxes anyone else does. They pay sales taxes, gas taxes, utility taxes, property taxes (via their rents), and so on. They typically have income taxes withheld from their pay-checks.>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Really ???.....Guess this explains why CA is in such
*great financial shape*......

Last I heard many public schools look like "trailer parks"
and many hospitals are closing emergency rooms. Davis, who
vetoed prop 187, now asking for more FED. monies to pay for
medical care for CA's poor.



How many taxes are being paid by CA's 25% jail pop. of
illegals (for other than imm. crime).




38 posted on 11/29/2002 8:23:24 AM PST by txdoda
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To: The Other Harry
Immigrant bashing and $3.25 won't buy you admission to the Statue of Liberty. Nor will it win you the next election.

Long experience has me convinced that the dumbest illegal is still smarter than the smartest feel-good leftie.

Never heard of the cash economy huh?
Let's not even go into collecting food stamps, free education and medical care all at the same time.

Better go tune up your space ship.

47 posted on 11/29/2002 8:51:15 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: The Other Harry
Immigrant bashing and $3.25 won't buy you admission to the Statue of Liberty. Nor will it win you the next election.

It's the Statue of Liberty, not the Statue of immigration.

Thanks again for leaving California, we have enough political problems already.

52 posted on 11/29/2002 8:58:50 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: The Other Harry
Immigrants? These are illegals therefore criminals from day one. When they displace your sensitive ass you may wake up. This is not like in the past where assimilation was expected and the flow stopped for a period of time. This never stops and goofs like you think it is fine and also approve of their not wanting to become assimilated. You must like being a sucker and walking ATM machine.
62 posted on 11/29/2002 9:39:54 AM PST by willyone
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To: The Other Harry
The small tax they pay doesn't begin to cover the free medical, dental services they recieve, not to mention the bankrupting of our hospitals and schools... free breakfast and lunch programs, shall I go on? We are losing our hospital, and the librals blame it on our senior citizens, who, by the way can pay for services! No mention of the thousands of births and surgeries preformed "gratis" or the non-reimbursment amounts!
66 posted on 11/29/2002 10:25:11 AM PST by Terridan
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To: The Other Harry; Victoria Delsoul; Pokey78; JohnHuang2; MeeknMing; rdb3; mhking; BOBTHENAILER; ...
Nor will it win you the next election.....

The old political power at any price mantra. Without much thought about the unintended consequences. I notice you've left the state to.

You need to read Michelle Malkins book. With all due respect, every one of your ignorant and misguided arguments have been thoroughly refuted.
.They get paid under the table in cash for the most part.
.They drive the prevailing wages down.
.They have so saturated the work market, that in order to be a day laborer, or construction worker, you have to speak Spanish in order to work. Why would I hire you as a foreman or laborer, if you can't communicate with the crew ?
.In many cases they don't earn enough to pay taxes. When they do have withholding taken out, (how do you do that with no ssn) they in fact receive back most or all the money they paid in.

.Many live two and three families to houses or small apartments. In Santa Cruz I've seen signs in Spanish telling the families not to cook indoors, with their traditional charcoal stoves. This occurs within 5 miles of my nice middle class home. This drives down our property values.

. The money they send home (about 30% of the Mexican GNP) does not leave much for property improvement.

They drove my father out of our childhood home. Due to the tendency towards turning the yards into third world aromatic barnyards, raising goats, chickens and surly dogs. Using the front yard to run impromptu clotheslines from the tree the fence really helped the sale. He was counting on the sale of his home for at least some of his retirement income. He didn't even break even.

PETA heads up .... these guys also love to hold cock fights. With the drinking, gambling, music, cars etc. quite the fiesta atmosphere.

They apply for and receive food stamps and other very expensive "Health & Social Services" paid for by the local and federal taxpayers by simply uttering the magic words "I intend to remain in the United States". They are often coached by misguided social service providers to say these words and then, they can't be quizzed about their residency status.

It is the policy of most socialist service agencies is to seek out and provide services to these deprived "communities".

These are not just emergency room visits to the Dr. for sick baby's. These are long-term medical care for children that have very serious medical problems.

For example, California Children Services (CCS) provides wheelchairs, crutches, medical equipment Orthopedic devices and anything else related to crippling diseases for children. This includes the training for the family and/or care takers of the child. Free.

These services includes transportation cost which are reimbursable by check to the parents or caretakers. Many times this involves traveling from far reaching communities in the desert like Thermal to Loma Linda (a major hospital). If the parents don't have transportation they will pay for bus, medical transport etc. Cost covered also includes overnight accommodation vouchers so the person traveling with the child can have a motel and food.

CCS will also pay for social worker time and training from other health fields such as Occupational Therapist Physical Therapist and Respiratory Therapist to train and monitor the families proper use of the Physician prescribed devices. Counseling can include the education of the parents/caretakers to the importance following through with appointments how to access services and home visits to make sure all is going well.

I know there are cases where the parents received money to take a respite weekends off. This meant paying for the homecare worker to come in and provide substitute care. This can be another neighbor or family member. This is done when it is deemed that the child may need to have the primary caregivers take a break so they can better deal with and provide for the child over the long-term.

When you also take into consideration the cost to administrate these services from both the state and hospital perspective, that is a handsome chunk of change.

When news of this largesse travels to Mexico, and it does, is it any wonder that they make the trip.

As to your measly votes,
it is registered Democrats appartiks and Socialist activists that by and large deliver the services and become the first point of contact for these soon to be Democrat votes. The Socialist are always winning the hearts and souls of the downtrodden with your money. These are the same misguided "touchy feely people" who rail that America is not doing enough and in their eyes, we'll never do enough.

You and the so called Conservatives who won't address the root problem of closing off the southern border are just so wrong. And frankly you are just as bad for America as any of them.

By the way my wife is first generation Argentine immigrant. Her parents are social liberals due to their Christian background. They and other LEGAL immigrants will understand and help to address the problem when we frame it properly. They want something done about the flood of illegal's. They paid a price for their citizenship, we need to reinforce that message. The conservatives just have to have the cajones and backbone to address the problem by speaking the truth.

As to the democrats, let frame this problem any way they want. We already know they have no valid argument and can't even stay on topic long enough to present an argument to it's logical conclusion. If we believe that our argument is true and valid, then treat the democrats and race baiters like howling children in a supermarket, they will shortly give up and go on to something else.

I believe that it would be helpful if Hugh Hewitt other broadcast and conservative intellectuals would quit pretending that the proverbial elephant is not in the living room. When he has Dave Dryer and other conservative politicians appearing on his program and they ignore this problem or downplay it's importance to callers. They apparently think the hard feelings towards illegal's will somehow magically go away. This is not the case. The illegal's will take up the same resources and create the same social dilemmas whether they have received amnesty or not.

My own congressman Lewis sent out a pre-election survey of the four most important issues for this election. Immigration was conspicuous by it's absence. The long term future of the party lies in what we do best, telling the truth, not pandering.

69 posted on 11/29/2002 1:07:09 PM PST by jokar
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To: The Other Harry
Immigrants, illegal or otherwise, pay vitually all the same taxes anyone else does. They pay sales taxes, gas taxes, utility taxes, property taxes (via their rents), and so on. They typically have income taxes withheld from their pay-checks.

Most illegal immigrants, because of their low incomes, get most, if not all, of their income taxes refunded, if they file a tax return. They can also quality for the Earned Income Credit, which means that they can actually get back more on their tax refund check then the amount of income taxes that were taken out of their paychecks during the calender year.

86 posted on 11/29/2002 11:53:53 PM PST by judgeandjury
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