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Giving thanks for no more Clinton (Michael Kelly)
Townhall.com ^ | November 27th, 2002 | Michael Kelly

Posted on 11/26/2002 9:35:56 PM PST by Sabertooth

Edited on 11/26/2002 9:48:47 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

One day in 1998, I was invited to have an off-the-record chat with an important staff person on the Clinton administration's National Security Council. We met, at the important person's suggestion, at the important person's important club, where the major domo was kind enough to lend me a tie. We sat in important old chairs and drank important old whiskey and had a made-for-TV version of an important old Washington conversation--the personage from the White House setting me right, one important man to another, on the real and complex forces at work behind our government's seemingly mindless, but actually deep and subtle and clever, actions. And me trying to nod in a way that suggested a fine blend of Kissingerian cunning and Lippmannesque wisdom, which is hard to do in a borrowed tie.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: clintonhaters


1 posted on 11/26/2002 9:35:56 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: CheneyChick; vikingchick; Victoria Delsoul; WIMom; one_particular_harbour; kmiller1k; GOPJ; ...
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2 posted on 11/26/2002 9:36:57 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Now, if we could just get the electronic media to start acknowleging this.........HA! Fat chance!
3 posted on 11/26/2002 9:44:18 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: McGavin999
Now, if we could just get the electronic media to start acknowleging this.........HA! Fat chance!

We are the electronic media.




4 posted on 11/26/2002 9:45:38 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Kelly is one of my favorites. That's Kelly - not Kelley.
5 posted on 11/26/2002 9:46:41 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: Sabertooth
Kelly may have been the first liberal pundit to see Clinton for what he really was: A Disaster. Not just on the moral front, but on the policy front, as well.

Kelly saw that it wasn't "just lying about sex", it was all about misgovernment.

He said it loud and he said it forcefully. Unfortunately, only the "Clinton-haters" were listening.

Kelly is a treasure.

6 posted on 11/26/2002 9:49:43 PM PST by okie01
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To: Sabertooth
Yes, being rid of the 'toons in the White House at least is one thing I'll definitely give thanks for this year. Along with the Republican control of the Senate, and most importantly the rapid trip to irrelevancy that the Rats have taken. Good riddance.
7 posted on 11/26/2002 10:15:39 PM PST by 11B3
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To: 11B3
In a ridiculous sort of sense, we almost have to give thanks FOR the Clintons this year. Without them, the DemoRat party would not be in the shambles it is in.
8 posted on 11/26/2002 10:25:21 PM PST by A Citizen Reporter
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To: Sabertooth
Well......I had more like TV and Cable in mind, but you're right, they're irrelevant. WE are the future :o)
9 posted on 11/26/2002 10:37:30 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: McGavin999
I just wish he could actually name this source/interviewee. I guess it was all off the record.

Does anyone know if Sandy Berger was Clinton's first National Security Advisor, or if Berger replaced someone else?

I'd like to know, because I have always found it odd that Berger had absolutely NO credentials for the highly confidential, extremely serious post.
The guy was nothing but a political lobbyist, for heaven's sake.
Further info would be appreciated.
10 posted on 11/27/2002 5:54:51 AM PST by Galtoid
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To: Sabertooth
At any rate, the encounter ended in a perfect straight-to-video moment, the two of us men of import standing on the corner, in a drizzle, backlit by a street lamp, having that cinematically crucial last word. It seemed to be my line, so I said something about how things didn't seem to be working too well with the Iraq policy. I can't remember at which point of collapse the Clinton approach was precisely at that week, whether Saddam had actually gotten around to throwing out the U.N. weapons inspectors or was still enjoying the long defiance and humiliation of an impotent America too much to bid that last goodbye--but it doesn't really matter.

The important person leaned forward, his eyes even more than usually ablaze with deep and subtle and clever thoughts, and he said, in a confiding demi-whisper: No, you don't understand. As long as Saddam behaves like this, the U.N. sanctions will stay in effect, and as long as the sanctions stay in effect, Saddam will stay weak. If Saddam obeys the U.N. mandates, then the sanctions will disappear, and he will become strong again. We've got him just where we want him.

This Thanksgiving, I am thankful that this person, and all the other deep and subtle and clever people of the Clinton White House, and all the thoughts they thought, and all the damage they wrought, are history. Or to be more precise, I am thankful that we live in a reality defined by the actual consequences of policies, rather than what columnists and correspondents and editors can be gulled into thinking are consequences--gulled at least for long enough to skate through that day's news cycle and this season's electoral cycle.

Liberals, in the Democratic Party and in their media and academic institutional bases, persist in seeing the accruing foreign policy triumphs of the Bush administration as accidents of history occurring within an aberration of history. This could not be more basically wrong. The accidents, and the larger aberration, belonged to the years this administration has led us out of, the long years of suspension of disbelief that comprised Clinton foreign policy in practice.

I'm thankful for having President Bush at the wheel now !!


President Bush at the wheel:
Having driven to GOP victory on November 5, 2002,
he moves on to continue the War on Terror !

11 posted on 11/27/2002 6:40:45 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: okie01
Kelly has also done wonders with the Atlantic Monthly, and has taken it from a second-rate intellectual backwater to one of the best reads nowadays in politics and world affairs.
12 posted on 11/27/2002 6:42:14 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Sabertooth
This is the essence of the whole "self-esteem" movement in public schools - i.e., wishing makes it so. I worry what the world will be like in 20 years, when this generation, so raised, will be taking over the handles and controls.

Right now, there are still lots of good kids out there. But as the last election showed, it's about 50-50, and the slackers are about to outnumber the rest.
13 posted on 11/27/2002 8:27:03 AM PST by lds23
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To: Galtoid
Sandy Berger was embarrasing to watch. He was too inept and stupid to be embarrased for himself. Clinton, like many narcissists, surrounded himself with mediocre groupies who would not outshine him. Berger, Reno, Albright, and let's not forget Bill "sure, I'll interview deep thinker Monica Lewinsky for a U.N. job" Richardson. The whole, embarrasing mess of them are gone, and thank God for that.
14 posted on 11/27/2002 8:45:17 AM PST by Starrgaizr
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To: Galtoid
"I'd like to know, because I have always found it odd that Berger had absolutely NO credentials for the highly confidential, extremely serious post."

Berger succeeded Anthony Lake in December, 1996. Background here

Actually, Berger's credentials were impeccable -- depending on what you mean by credentials. The speculation has always been that Berger was the bagman for the ChiComms. He had the connections, having represented Red China in trade matters, and was in a position to deliver the dough for the 1996 election. It was only natural, then, that he be appointed to a sensitive security post. Again, it depends on what you mean by "natural".

And your speculation as to the identity of Kelly's source is the same as mine. I immediately imagined the oh-so-pompous, self-important and ultimately amateurish Berger on the other side of that cigar.

15 posted on 11/27/2002 9:55:00 AM PST by okie01
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To: *Clinton Haters
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16 posted on 11/27/2002 3:18:17 PM PST by Liz
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To: Sabertooth
This Thanksgiving, I am thankful that this person, and all the other deep and subtle and clever people of the Clinton White House, and all the thoughts they thought, and all the damage they wrought, are history. Or to be more precise, I am thankful that we live in a reality defined by the actual consequences of policies, rather than what columnists and correspondents and editors can be gulled into thinking are consequences--gulled at least for long enough to skate through that day's news cycle and this season's electoral cycle.

Liberals, in the Democratic Party and in their media and academic institutional bases, persist in seeing the accruing foreign policy triumphs of the Bush administration as accidents of history occurring within an aberration of history. This could not be more basically wrong. The accidents, and the larger aberration, belonged to the years this administration has led us out of, the long years of suspension of disbelief that comprised Clinton foreign policy in practice.

I am thankful for this post. Thank you Mr. Kelly - and Sabertooth. Happy Thanksgiving. (^:

17 posted on 11/27/2002 5:28:38 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Sabertooth
But some things are actually true. It is true that Iraq, during the Clinton years, waged a war of attrition against the United States, massively violated the cease-fire it agreed to in 1991 and a long series of U.N. resolutions, almost daily firing on warplanes assigned to patrol the peace, even going so far as to attempt the assassination of an American president. And it is true that Clinton pretty much let Iraq get away with all of this, and ultimately walked away from all of this. And it is true that men like Osama bin Laden saw in Clinton's great aberrational abdication of American responsibility a wonderful shining hope: With just a bit more of a push, just one really big murder, America the paper tiger could be induced to walk away from all of the Middle East.

Bump.

18 posted on 11/27/2002 7:01:16 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Thanks for the bumps!



19 posted on 11/29/2002 2:14:02 PM PST by Sabertooth
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