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FREE TRADE IS A BAD IDEA
Bob Lonsberry ^ | 11/25/2002 | Bob Lonsberry

Posted on 11/25/2002 8:15:37 AM PST by SAMWolf

I hope they don't kick me out of the Republican Party for this.

But free trade is a bad idea.

For years it hasn't set right with me, and I've tried to figure out why. And now I know. It's because it violates a simple principle of life.

And that is self-reliance.

International free trade, while certainly necessary and useful to an extent, can easily be overemphasized to such a degree that it jeopardizes a country's economic self-interest and national security.

The United States is a good example.

But first, let's look at Mexico.

Under the North American Free Trade Agreement, all Mexican protections against American or Canadian agricultural imports are about to disappear. That means cheaper Canadian and American farm products are going to flood Mexico.

And Mexican farms are going to close down. The impact on Mexican agriculture is going to be immense.

Which means Mexico is going to be less capable of supplying its own needs. And it means a ton of farm workers are going to be out of work and headed north. And that's not good for anybody.

Just like it's no good that the United States has a dramatic trade deficit, that it buys far more from overseas than it sells. And that there are entire sections of the American economy which are dependent on foreign goods. For whole product lines, there simply are no American manufacturers anymore. From electronic goods to clothing to steel, we don't make things anymore.

And American corporations are closing domestic factories to shift manufacturing overseas.

All of which fits perfectly into the world of free trade.

And all of which screws us royally.

Because independence is good and interdependence is bad. Because interdependence is the same as reliance and that is the opposite of self-reliance.

And history teaches that -- without exception -- prosperity and security require national self-reliance. Americans should eat American agricultural products and use American manufactured products and channel their income back into the economy that produced it -- the American economy. When a nation becomes reliant on foreign products -- as the United States clearly is -- its comfort and peace are held hostage by the producers of those foreign products.

If a nation cannot produce what it needs -- as the United States now cannot -- it is in a precarious position that weakens and enslaves it.

We will be weakened as we exchange our prosperity -- hard currency -- for foreign products, and we will be enslaved as our national policy inevitably must be tailored to preserve our access to foreign goods. These are truths which have been understood and implemented around the world for centuries. To abandon them now is to abandon national self-interest and to doom the United States to premature but certain decline.

And it is to bring the same fate to many nations of the world.

In developing countries, lingering poverty and delayed development are tied directly to a failure to be nationally self-reliant. When nations feed themselves, they do not starve. When they manufacture their own goods, they don't go without.

When they understand that their consumer dollars must be recycled into their own economies, they do not long linger in recession or unemployment.

Free trade serves a very few at the top of international corporations, but it does not serve the average American. Rather, it takes away his job and his nation's strength.

Certainly, the flow of goods and produce around the globe is needful and beneficial, but so is protection, and buttering your own bread first. The sense of national economic identity must not be lost, and neither should the commitment to protecting American prosperity -- even at the cost of limiting free trade.

Our first obligation is to feed, house, clothe and prosper American families. Every thing else comes second. That must be our attitude. Just as Mexico and every other nation must have the same attitude about its people and its economy.

Independence is good, interdependence is bad.

Self-reliance is the key to prosperity -- for individuals and nations.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: freetrade; globalism; oneworlders
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To: FITZ
Obviously no easy answer.

However, your example proves my point. We are insulating these folks from the consequences of change. Do you really think that all 14,000 of these fine folks would roll into a ball and die if they were not being being propped up by a handout that insulates them from change?

Obviously change is painful, and no one likes to see people suffer. But it is time for people to be responsible for their own lives. It is time to stop treating them like helpless children. It is amazing to see how people WILL live up or down to the expectations given them. If we expect nothing from people, we shouldn't be surprised when we get nothing back. Look at the welfare crowd in America today - I rest my case.

Regards,

221 posted on 11/25/2002 4:19:26 PM PST by jonno
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To: FITZ
I'm not a fan of nafta, or any GOVERNMENT instigated facade of free trade. I am for FREE TRADE period.
222 posted on 11/25/2002 4:19:45 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
Yeah, idiotic free trade gov't policy leads to an idiotic immigration policy because any company stupid enough to try and have a viable enterprise is forced to hire a lot of illegal labor, EVADE a whole lot of taxes to try and compete with overseas competitors. Seems to be the case more and more doesn't it?
223 posted on 11/25/2002 4:20:54 PM PST by american spirit
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To: american spirit
Same answer as I gave to Fitz - #221. Stop looking at folks as children - Those that sit and pout about their lost jobs will reap what they sow.

Regards,

224 posted on 11/25/2002 4:24:47 PM PST by jonno
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To: american spirit
where do you suggest these people go to find work and pay commensurate to their previous employment?

Pay commensurate with previous employment isn't how the market works. No one is entitled to a certain pay scale. Remuneration is determined by supply and demand. Why do people keep thinking that they can repeal the laws of nature?

225 posted on 11/25/2002 4:30:13 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: jonno
Do you really think that all 14,000 of these fine folks would roll into a ball and die if they were not being being propped up by a handout that insulates them from change?

Most would have to return to Mexico to follow their former jobs ---but that's another example how unfree and one-way all this is. In spite of massive immigration to the US, Americans (citizens and residents)can't move to Mexico or India or China even if they wanted to work. Low skilled jobs are being sent out of the USA at a higher rate but low-skilled workers are moving in at just as high or higher rates. It doesn't make sense.

226 posted on 11/25/2002 4:34:15 PM PST by FITZ
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To: jonno
and no one likes to see people suffer

They won't suffer. They're being handed their free health care, WIC stamps, food stamps, HUD housing and NAFTA displaced worker handouts. They won't be leaving to work in maquilas in Mexico, but Mexico wouldn't let them anyhow. Some "free" trade.

227 posted on 11/25/2002 4:37:13 PM PST by FITZ
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To: SAMWolf
Okay, there are these two guys on an island. One is named Crusoe - the other, er...Wilson. One guy climbs good and can get x number of coconuts per hour, the guy fishes well. Anyway, if they trade and specialize they're both better off than if they did everything on their own, as long as they're not cannabals. It's comparative advantage, the basis for all advanced economies and good grades in ECON 101. It's hard to actually see the positive effect of comparative advantage, but it's there. And if you base policies only on perceived effects this other guy, Frederic Bastiat, will smack you with Adam Smith's invisible hand.
228 posted on 11/25/2002 4:40:40 PM PST by kcar
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To: ThomasJefferson
I never said that. Anyone who says so is little better than an idiot.

Who's into name calling here?
From what I can see, you were not called any name. Rather I compared you to those who hide behind nuances of words and play word games rather than admitting that MicroSoft used their monopoloy on the home users desktop to crush Netscape, hijack Java and screw Kodak.
But since it's not a 'strict' monopoly, according to whatever definition you might have (and are not sharing) then it's just not a monopoly.
It's dullards like you (yes, now I AM NAME CALLING) who either choose to ignore or won't face up to reality that ultimate cause the Republicans to lose face in the long run.
MicroSoft is a very evil company, believe it or not. They are very anti-competitive and they make shoddy stuff. I'm also tired of linking to the same stuff that shows how MicroSoft compromises data on a daily basis, will be keeping tabs on your system (actually already is) and wants to make DAMN SURE you stay in the fold.
But because you picked up 100 shares at $55 and you're praying you make it back, you take a principled stand in the name of capitalism (of all things.)
1. I don't think. NO, I know you don't understand economics.
2. You have absolutely no grasp as to what's going on with your precious MicroSoft desktop (and the data therein)
3. You really don't know how the two are working together.

Do yourself a favor and get a clue. It might save you further embarassment. Especially when you have to resort to name calling like a childish liberal instead of narrowing the discussion, keeping it on topic and acting like AN ADULT.

Whew. That felt good.
229 posted on 11/25/2002 4:49:11 PM PST by dyed_in_the_wool
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To: american spirit
hmm, let's see. Free trade is responsible for illegal immigration?

I can blame minimum wage for it even more.

230 posted on 11/25/2002 5:01:22 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
Excellent Points. Much of the world depends on the United States being a safe, stable place to invest money. We should NEVER default on debt payments, lest we see money flow out to be invested elsewhere.
231 posted on 11/25/2002 6:02:55 PM PST by Diverdogz
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To: per loin
"Our Fedral tax structure amounts to a tariff on American made products" .

Amen, brother. Add goofy environmental regulations, out of control "casino-like" litigation, lawless Federal bureaucracies like the EPA and Alice-in-Wonderland Antitrust laws and you have a difficult environment for any business including a manufacturing business.

Given these problems the only thing that has bailed out American business is a great environment for new technology development and our great advantages in productivity growth.

The structural problems in the US economy are 90% related to taxation and regulatory policy and 10% related to international trade.

With taxation and regulatory policies being equal, a typical American firm would wax its foreign competitors because of the American firm's access to our advanced transportation, communication networks and power systems. Developing countries are decades behind in these areas.
232 posted on 11/25/2002 6:18:30 PM PST by ggekko
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To: Willie Green
China is a fascist country

Your statement was: "The excesses of unbridled, laissez-faire Capitalism can be just as oppressive of individual freedom and opportunity as authoritarian Communism."

Fascism isn't Laissez Faire Capitalism. Try again.

233 posted on 11/25/2002 6:21:00 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: dyed_in_the_wool
First you called me an idiot, and now you have degenerated into what anyone could see coming. Your true self, an obsessed tin foil hatter.

Calm down,,,, count to ten,,,, and then go suck on the exhaust pipe of a sixteen wheeler.

Moron

234 posted on 11/25/2002 6:42:55 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: Texaggie79
Well, we'll soon see another example when gov't subsidized food from American producers are allowed into the Mexican food markets undercutting their farmers. Hmmmm, wonder where they'll end up going to earn a living?
235 posted on 11/25/2002 8:47:24 PM PST by american spirit
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To: jonno
That's some real deep thinking right there. Why not try offering some real input into this discussion rather little snippy one liners that have absolutely zero depth.
236 posted on 11/25/2002 8:51:11 PM PST by american spirit
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To: ThomasJefferson
Pay commensurate with previous employment isn't how the market works. No one is entitled to a certain pay scale. Remuneration is determined by supply and demand. Why do people keep thinking that they can repeal the laws of nature?

"No one has yet found a way to repeal the law of supply and demand." -Ronald Reagan, Address as Governor of California, 1972

This fact doesn't stop the socialists, or the Freepers against freedom from trying...

237 posted on 11/25/2002 8:56:19 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: american spirit
hopefully to higher skilled jobs :)
238 posted on 11/25/2002 8:58:54 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
Let see, a dirt poor Mexican farmer with no education, can't speak English, pissed off already because Archer Daniels sells subsidized corn to his former customers, yeah sure....he's a perfect candidate for a higher skilled position with a Fortune 500 company.
239 posted on 11/25/2002 9:13:35 PM PST by american spirit
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To: Gunslingr3
This fact doesn't stop the socialists, or the Freepers against freedom from trying...

"Freepers against freedom" is a large and growing group here. They all want to pay lip service to it, but are repulsed by the idea that in order to be free, you must allow others to be free.

A larger group than that is the "Republicans before Americans" group, (RBAs) who applaud anything as long as the person behind it has an (R) behind their name. The precise things that they excoriated Clinton for are rountinely applauded when done by Bush.

240 posted on 11/26/2002 6:55:44 AM PST by Protagoras
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