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FREE TRADE IS A BAD IDEA
Bob Lonsberry ^ | 11/25/2002 | Bob Lonsberry

Posted on 11/25/2002 8:15:37 AM PST by SAMWolf

I hope they don't kick me out of the Republican Party for this.

But free trade is a bad idea.

For years it hasn't set right with me, and I've tried to figure out why. And now I know. It's because it violates a simple principle of life.

And that is self-reliance.

International free trade, while certainly necessary and useful to an extent, can easily be overemphasized to such a degree that it jeopardizes a country's economic self-interest and national security.

The United States is a good example.

But first, let's look at Mexico.

Under the North American Free Trade Agreement, all Mexican protections against American or Canadian agricultural imports are about to disappear. That means cheaper Canadian and American farm products are going to flood Mexico.

And Mexican farms are going to close down. The impact on Mexican agriculture is going to be immense.

Which means Mexico is going to be less capable of supplying its own needs. And it means a ton of farm workers are going to be out of work and headed north. And that's not good for anybody.

Just like it's no good that the United States has a dramatic trade deficit, that it buys far more from overseas than it sells. And that there are entire sections of the American economy which are dependent on foreign goods. For whole product lines, there simply are no American manufacturers anymore. From electronic goods to clothing to steel, we don't make things anymore.

And American corporations are closing domestic factories to shift manufacturing overseas.

All of which fits perfectly into the world of free trade.

And all of which screws us royally.

Because independence is good and interdependence is bad. Because interdependence is the same as reliance and that is the opposite of self-reliance.

And history teaches that -- without exception -- prosperity and security require national self-reliance. Americans should eat American agricultural products and use American manufactured products and channel their income back into the economy that produced it -- the American economy. When a nation becomes reliant on foreign products -- as the United States clearly is -- its comfort and peace are held hostage by the producers of those foreign products.

If a nation cannot produce what it needs -- as the United States now cannot -- it is in a precarious position that weakens and enslaves it.

We will be weakened as we exchange our prosperity -- hard currency -- for foreign products, and we will be enslaved as our national policy inevitably must be tailored to preserve our access to foreign goods. These are truths which have been understood and implemented around the world for centuries. To abandon them now is to abandon national self-interest and to doom the United States to premature but certain decline.

And it is to bring the same fate to many nations of the world.

In developing countries, lingering poverty and delayed development are tied directly to a failure to be nationally self-reliant. When nations feed themselves, they do not starve. When they manufacture their own goods, they don't go without.

When they understand that their consumer dollars must be recycled into their own economies, they do not long linger in recession or unemployment.

Free trade serves a very few at the top of international corporations, but it does not serve the average American. Rather, it takes away his job and his nation's strength.

Certainly, the flow of goods and produce around the globe is needful and beneficial, but so is protection, and buttering your own bread first. The sense of national economic identity must not be lost, and neither should the commitment to protecting American prosperity -- even at the cost of limiting free trade.

Our first obligation is to feed, house, clothe and prosper American families. Every thing else comes second. That must be our attitude. Just as Mexico and every other nation must have the same attitude about its people and its economy.

Independence is good, interdependence is bad.

Self-reliance is the key to prosperity -- for individuals and nations.


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KEYWORDS: freetrade; globalism; oneworlders
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To: BrowningBAR
Fair enough, but on this thread (maybe because of the author of the original piece) it could sound as though you're anti-free trade, or protectionist, etc.
Don't just hold the corporations responsible, although some are. Government has made it happen this way. They tax the wealthy at 40%+ and then are amazed when heir leave the country.
And with Dick Armey retiring, there'll be no more economists in congress.

FWIW, I can understand some protections.
And I also think MicroSoft should be carefully broken into at least two, maybe 3 different organizations. Boy, THAT went over great. But if you read REAL free-market thinkers you'll see that monopolies are inherently BAD for open and free markets and that is what MicroSoft most definitely has.

Balance in all things, liberty above all. -- Me.
161 posted on 11/25/2002 12:07:55 PM PST by dyed_in_the_wool
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To: BrowningBAR
There is plenty of evidence about the deleterious effects of H1B workers.

Deleterious to who? People who choose not to agree to the same employment terms as their competitors?

162 posted on 11/25/2002 12:08:18 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: B-Chan
In the end, only jobs that require human creativity (art, writing, cooking, design, etc.) will remain; all products will be manufactured by overseas prison labor or domestic machinery. The prices for goods will drop dramatically -- but without jobs and income, who will buy them?

What???

Who is going to design and build these hi-tech robots? Who is going to build the computer systems to run them?

Yes, labor costs trend downward for a simple reason - it doesn't make any sense to pay someone $20 an hour to operate a screwdriver. Instead take that same "skilled" worker and have them perform "skilled work" (see above robots).

Regards,

163 posted on 11/25/2002 12:08:18 PM PST by jonno
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To: dyed_in_the_wool
Microsoft is not a monopoly. But that for a different thread.
164 posted on 11/25/2002 12:10:11 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: BrowningBAR
I believe that God has shown his blessings on this land. I also believe he has shown his wrath on other lands... Medes, Babylonians... and etc...

An amazing answer for a Christian IMO. You actually believe that God wants you to annoint humans who have been fortunate enough to be born in this country and deny others the basic dignity of free association.

That means, that at the point of a gun, people are to be forced not to deal with other human beings because of their location. They should be left to poverty so the annointed can enjoy a set standard of living. And this is God's way of telling us we have a great country?

This is a warped view. Please refer to the new testament for instructions on how to treat your fellow man.

167 posted on 11/25/2002 12:21:54 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: SAMWolf
One factor that's not been touched concerning this whole free trade issue is the explosion of debt on every level which has masked the debillitating effects of our trade policy. In order to sustain the illusion that we have a healthy economy the fedgov,corporations, and individuals are now saddled with debt that will be very difficult to repay, especially in this unstable economic period. At some point during the last 15-20 yrs. the USA went from being the world's largest creditor nation to being the largest debtor nation which in has caused us to be at the mercy of foreign investors.

Just like the yuppies of yesteryear, the U.S. economy now has an illusion of prosperity that will last only until the gov't.s printing presses come to a halt. Real wealth can only be created by manufacturing, anything else is just a poker game with the chips being continually shuffled around the table.
168 posted on 11/25/2002 12:23:24 PM PST by american spirit
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To: BrowningBAR
I am worn out.

It must be tiring to avoid so many questions. The effects are only deleterious to those who wish to work without competition.

169 posted on 11/25/2002 12:23:39 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: ThomasJefferson
Microsoft is not a monopoly.

Actually, according to the Department of Justic, they are.
170 posted on 11/25/2002 12:27:34 PM PST by dyed_in_the_wool
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To: dyed_in_the_wool
Actually, according to the Department of Justic, they are.

Thankfully, departments of the government are not the undisputed definers of terms such as that. They call things by all kinds of titles for political purposes.

171 posted on 11/25/2002 12:37:31 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: BrowningBAR
No argument from me. You are free to have opinions about Christianity which are completely at odds with the bible. You won't have to explain it to me at your judgement. But you will have to explain it.

Try this, "Lord, I know you will be proud of me for screwing my fellow man in the name of keeping more for myself and my countrymen because you chose us as more deserving".

It ought to play well.

174 posted on 11/25/2002 12:46:59 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: ThomasJefferson
Thankfully, departments of the government are not the undisputed definers of terms such as that.

True. That's why I first used the Hayek/Friedman definition. According to their Free Market Economics, MicroSoft is a monopoly.
You don't have to like it or believe it, but by restraint of trade, among other things, they are monopolists.
Put another way, ask yourself the last time MicroSoft pushed for an Open Standard for ANYTHING.
We can wait. But I already know what the answer is. In fact, they're justthisverymoment working against the Open XML document consortium that they helped found. Imagine that.
And you wonder why people get pissed having to pay $300 so they can share files with MicroSoft Office users...
175 posted on 11/25/2002 12:51:46 PM PST by dyed_in_the_wool
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To: dyed_in_the_wool
Put another way, ask yourself the last time MicroSoft pushed for an Open Standard for ANYTHING.

Pushing for open standards doesn't define whether you are a monopolist or not. I know of no companies or individuals who try to help their competitors.

A true monopoly, which is the very rarest of things (absent government, or other force), leaves no options or alternatives. Microsoft doesn't qualify. Not to mention that the main thing that got them in trouble with government regulators (under Bill Clinton's direction) was giving things away for free.

176 posted on 11/25/2002 1:06:35 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: Texaggie79
. Uneducated workers are fighting for their drill press jobs, and refuse to seek other means of earning wages.

Maybe they should get educated and get into computer programming!!

177 posted on 11/25/2002 1:17:12 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Texaggie79
Uneducated workers are fighting for their drill press jobs, and refuse to seek other means of earning wages.

Okay ---we should hope they starve to death but why aren't the 401K plans and the stock markets doing well? You'd think the stock market would be bursting through the top if free trade was working as it was claimed it would.

178 posted on 11/25/2002 1:26:57 PM PST by FITZ
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To: american spirit
the gov't.s printing presses come to a halt.

Exactly. That's all our economy is currently based on.

179 posted on 11/25/2002 1:28:57 PM PST by FITZ
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To: jonno
I've already answered your question: creative jobs (including design and programming) will be most resistant to automation, but these jobs will be limited both by demand (only so many designers will be needed) and supply (most people do not have the ability to design automated production systems). Therefore, only a few such jobs (relative to the population as a whole) will exist. As for repair: Machnes generally need repair only as a result of bad engineering (kludges, needlessly complex systems, legacy holdovers in design), physical damage (environmental damage, misusem sabotage, disasters) or poor workmanship (human error). As technology advances, the design of these automated factory robots will advance, eliminating kludgy single-function designs in favor of all-purpose "assemblers" with modular, swap-out subsystems. Once machines are building machines, poor workmanship will cease to be a factor; and, since these modular assemblers will work 24-hour, 7-day weeks in sealed, climate controlled environments, moisture and heat conditions can be tailored to fit the optimum for the machines, instead of the comfort and convenience of human operators, reducing the possibility of enivironmental damage to the assemblers. With no people in the production loop, factories will become sealed units: recycled raw material feedstocks will be introduced at one end, finished goods will emerge from the other. With the possibility of human damage from misuse and sabotage reduced to zero, these "magic mills" could eliminate the entire concept of factory labor in capital-rich markets; the only "jobs" created would be high-end design and programming jobs (such repairs as would be needed could be handled by low-wage, unskilled labor; the assemblers would shut down long enough for a human or robot to enter the mill, swap out the malfunctioning module, and leave). In capital-poor markets, these "magic mills" would be replaced by sweatshops, with no-wahe prison labor substituting for the assembler robots.

Given the way technology and markets are progressing, I honestly cannot imagine what the world economy will be like in fifty years' time. Since machines can manufacture finished goods better, faster, and more cheaply than can any human workforce (except for slave labor), and since there are only so many high-end, automation-proof "creative" jobs to go around, I simply cannot imagine what the Average Joe is going to do for a living in the year 2052. Maybe the problem isn't the march of progress; perhaps it's my limited imagination.

In any case, thank God I'm a professional artist. There are some things only a human being can do.

180 posted on 11/25/2002 1:29:15 PM PST by B-Chan
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