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Britons killed in house fires
Associatied Press

Posted on 11/24/2002 10:26:03 AM PST by babaloo999

Five people died and the home of a striking firefighter was hit by a suspected arson attack
as firefighters continued thier national walkout Saturday.
Soldiers manned antiquated firetrucks and firefighters stood on picket lines as politicians
and union leaders traded blame for the strike that has hobbled Britiain's fire service.
Troops and their outdated "Green Goddess" engines were called to several serious blazes,
filling in for 50,000 firefighters who walked off the job Friday morning.

A 27 year old man died in a house fire in Eccles, south of London, in the first fatal fire
during the strike. A military team at the scene was joined by striking firefighters who left
their picket line to battle the blaze.

Another man died in what police described as a suspicious fire at his home in Earlsdon, in
Central England. Two Green Goddess's arrived within five minutes of receiving the emergency call.

Army firefighters also were called to a house fire in Liverpool in which an elderly woman
died, and a blaze in a mobile home in Blackpool, in northwest England, in which a man died.

Afourth man died in a house fire in Woodstock, north of London. Nonstriking firefighters dealt with the blaze.

The wife and two children of a striking firefighter escaped unhurt after a lighted paper
was pushed through the front door of their home in Kenilworth, central England. The family was alerted by smoke alarms. Forensic officiers and detectives are
investigateing the incident.

the firefighters began an eight day strike to back their demand for a hefty pay increase
after las-minute talks with local authrities broke down early friday.

The fire Brigades Union and employers said they had been on the verge of a deal, and
blamed Prime Minister Tony Blair's government for scuttling th negotiations.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: blaze; britain; fire; firefighter; fireman; house; strike; uk
>NYC firemen support strike
1 posted on 11/24/2002 10:26:03 AM PST by babaloo999
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To: babaloo999
They may support the Brits, but I for one cannot believe that if the situation were reversed, our firefighters would stand by and watch people die as ill equipped National Guard soldiers battle blazes.
3 posted on 11/24/2002 10:38:31 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
This is a prime example of the folly of socialism.
4 posted on 11/24/2002 10:57:03 AM PST by bigfootbob
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To: babaloo999
It would never happen here in my part of PA. All the firemen are volunteers and are well supported by the community.
5 posted on 11/24/2002 11:58:01 AM PST by ikka
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Well, on the first fire mentioned, striking firefighters went in to help. It doesn't say
how many, or if others firemen stayed their ground, but I agree. I couldn't see any
real fireman not trying to help in this kind of situation.
6 posted on 11/24/2002 12:06:00 PM PST by babaloo999
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To: babaloo999
Firemen should not be allowed to strike. Period.
7 posted on 11/24/2002 12:27:54 PM PST by lady lawyer
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To: lady lawyer
Any free person has the right to withhold their labour.
8 posted on 11/24/2002 12:34:28 PM PST by KiaKaha
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To: KiaKaha
Any free employer has the right to fire them.
9 posted on 11/24/2002 12:50:23 PM PST by ijcr
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To: KiaKaha
Firemen should not be allowed to strike. Period.

Any free person has the right to withhold their labour.

I agree with both positions.

What makes compatible what would seem to be mutually exclusive positions, is that a public employees have advantages that a private employees do not. Also, private customers do have a choice, while the "public" customers, and employers of the firemen do not have a choice.

If the workers at Chevy strike, the customer can wait for the strike to end, or buy a Ford. If ones house is on fire and the fire department is on strike, the situation is not the same. Also, Chevy could well go completely out of business, leaving the right to strike Chevy, moot. On the other hand, few cities or counties "go out of business", so a fireman has, essentially guaranteed life employment.

Therefore, public employee's should NOT have the right to strike in the interest of public safety. In return, the representatives of the public employees with a grievance should be, by statute, allowed immediate access to the courts and compulsory attendance to the proceedings by at least 1/3 rd. of the elected officials representing the government entity that employs the aggrieved public employees. (Fire, police, medical, sanitation, etc).

No strikes, no lost income, and a powerful venue to remedy grievances without endangering the public safety. Non-public employee's retain, by what I think is "Natural Law", the right to withold their labor.

10 posted on 11/24/2002 3:27:13 PM PST by elbucko
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To: ijcr
naturally in theory, in practice a little more difficult. Knowing as I do a great many firefighters and the training involved in what we all know to be a hazardous profession I know that they cannot be easily replaced off the street, especially 50,000 of them. If it was 20 sidewalk sweepers however...............

It is sad that it has come to this as it is my understanding negotiations where proceeding well between the Union and the employers, until of course the government stuck its oar in.

As a side item of note the 27 year old died of smoke inhalation. He was pulled from the fire alive but died a little while later. I received that information from my Uncle who lives in the village as I rung him last night to wish him well on his 80th birthday.
11 posted on 11/24/2002 8:10:17 PM PST by KiaKaha
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To: KiaKaha
Not in certain positions of public trust. How could any decent human being stand by and watch property burn when it is his job to try to save it.
12 posted on 11/24/2002 9:04:48 PM PST by lady lawyer
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To: lady lawyer
So I take it you feel that a firefighter has no rights in this respect they must just accept what offer, if any is given to them?. The men and woman of the fire service risk their lives every day for their job and ARE decent human beings. I consider your last remark to be in poor taste.
13 posted on 11/24/2002 10:09:38 PM PST by KiaKaha
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the home of a striking firefighter was hit by a suspected arson attack

Oh, the cruel irony.
14 posted on 11/24/2002 10:14:16 PM PST by July 4th
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To: KiaKaha
If they don't want what they are offered, they are free to seek other employment. I repeat, public officials, like fire and police, should have no right to strike.
15 posted on 11/25/2002 6:34:36 AM PST by lady lawyer
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