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IF YOU KILL VMI, YOU HAVE KILLED YOUSELVES
WWW.MEWSMAX.COM | 11/24/2002 | NEWSMAX

Posted on 11/24/2002 6:58:34 AM PST by RISU

VMI Prayer Battle Could Define America’s Fighting Force

Dave Eberhart, NewsMax.com Saturday, Nov. 23, 2002

Since January, when a judge ordered Virginia Military Institute to stop its traditional dinner prayers, Col. Ronald D. Ray, USMCR (Ret.) has been fighting to overturn the controversial ruling. If the battle is lost, he predicts an ACLU juggernaut that will strip God from the service academies and even from aircraft carriers, whose warriors will soar into harm’s way with a wing and not a prayer.

“Dinnertime prayers have been said at the 162- year-old military academy since Thomas J. ‘Stonewall’ Jackson taught there,” Ray told NewsMax.com. “The prayers mention God but not Jesus Christ, and are given by a ‘cadet chaplain.’ Cadets are required to stand during the prayer, but are not required to stand at attention, bow their heads or fold their hands.”

Ray is hopeful that come January 2003, when the case comes to oral arguments before the 4th Circuit Appeals Court in Richmond, “the court will look to history and see that the lower court applied the wrong standard, exploring notions of religious freedom rather than ‘military necessity.’”

One of Ray’s favorite anecdotes of that powerful and poignant military necessity, recorded in his extensive brief to the appeals court, tells of VMI cadets ordered into the battle of New Market, May 15, 1864.

“Ten VMI cadets would be killed in action, and 47 wounded, on the field of honor that day, but not before cadets gathered for prayer before the final 26-mile march into New Market: ‘…In the gloom of the night, Captain Frank … sent up an appeal to God for His protection of our little band; it was an humble, earnest petition that sunk into the heart of every hearer.’”

Ray says he has made an exhaustive study of the role of prayer in the “special society” of the military, and the findings are remarkable. “Prayer has been the mainstay of the American fighting man since 1774 when the first prayer book was issued to members of the Continental Army.”

“There is even a study made at the conclusion of World War II that asked American fighting men what propelled them in battle. The answer was not the expected ‘for my buddies,’ but the power and comfort of prayer,” Ray told NewsMax.

His historical homework preparing for the appeal brief turned up no less than 67 different prayer books adopted by the branches of the American armed forces over a 225-year period.

Furthermore, he has inventoried the inaugural addresses of every American president and commander-in-chief from Washington to Bush. “Every one of them in some fashion appeals to divine providence,” Ray explained.

He has collected his “history lesson” in the appendices of his brief. “We will put these history lessons before the court,” he promised.

The compelling case that may forevermore define the axiom that there are no atheists in foxholes got its start in May when American Civil Liberties Union took up the cause of two cadets who objected on First Amendment grounds to the student-led prayer before the evening meal at state-supported VMI.

As the appeal looms in Richmond, Ray says that the ominous signs of things to come are already afoot. He points to a Washington Times piece from April 1 in which analysts said the legality of the Naval Academy’s 157-year tradition of lunchtime prayers was already being reviewed because of the VMI case.

Ray takes some comfort in the legal challenges ahead by noting that the judiciary has been characteristically remiss to interfere with how the commander-in-chief and his designated officers run the military establishment.

“The judiciary will defer to the military,” he says. And VMI is nothing if not an integral part of that special establishment.

“The Virginia Military Institute is first, foremost and historically a military institute, not a civilian college,” Ray noted. “The institute’s name was selected, according to state legislative records, to reflect VMI’s ‘characteristic feature’ as ‘military’ and set it apart from civilian colleges.”

“Furthermore, the Virginia Code makes VMI cadets members of the Virginia Militia. Reserve Officer Training Corps training is mandatory for every cadet. Therefore VMI is a part of America’s national defense establishment training ‘citizen soldiers.’”

Ray argues that the right of military leadership to allow and direct prayer through out the military has not been infringed before the Moody ruling.

He finds it unfortunate that the federal judge in the lower court, U.S. District Judge Norman K. Moon of Lynchburg, accepted the ACLU argument that VMI was simply another state funded college or university, where official or public prayer “entangled the state with religion.”

“The Constitution places the nation’s Armed Forces first under the authority and jurisdiction, not of the judiciary, but of the Congress, and then the president, when acting as commander- in-chief,” Ray argued.

“U.S. courts consistently defer to the military leadership judgment under the doctrine of ‘military necessity.’ The Supreme Court ruled in 1955, “Judges are not given the task of running the Army,” and, in 1983, “centuries of experience have developed a hierarchical structure of discipline and obedience to command, unique in its application to the military establishment and wholly different from civilian patterns …”

Although not a VMI grad, this former member of the Presidential Commission on Women in the Military has taken to the cause of keeping prayer at VMI as one he sees as vital to the continued dominance of the American fighting man.

All the legalese is Ray’s province as an attorney, but in the end he sees history as the thing:

“In December of 1944, General George S. Patton ordered 250,000 prayer cards distributed to every soldier in the Third Army and 3,200 training letters to officers and chaplains to ‘urge, instruct, and indoctrinate every fighting man to pray as well as to fight …’”

Ray's refrain: “Military men will lead in prayer and lead in battle” – a refrain that will soon be heard loud and clear in the halls of justice.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 4thcircuit; fourthcircuit; freedom; justice; life; morality; peace; vmi; war
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If the American people allow, by toleration of the current crop of "legal people" who are corrupt and out of tune with common law, the constitution, and our values, the further destruction of this venerable institution and our military academies generally, then I would have to judge them unworthy of being further "defended" and subject to what they get for being stuipid, weak, and lazy in the defense of their liberty. (What is left of it.)
1 posted on 11/24/2002 6:58:34 AM PST by RISU
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To: RISU
I hope the liberals, with their insistence of teaching our
children that they are expected to become sexual, are happy now that we have kindergartners raping each other! Thank
you for ruining millions of children's childhood!
2 posted on 11/24/2002 7:09:22 AM PST by SouthCarolinaKit
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To: RISU
Thanks for posting.

Alumni George Marshall and George Patton were part of this tradition.


Incidentally, VMI has a new Superintendent this week.

J.H. Binford Peay, III, 4 star General.

Commanding General of the 101st Airborne Division during operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm. The general, a Vietnam combat veteran, has won numerous military awards and decorations including the Defense Distinguished Service Medal, the Army Distinguished Service Medal, the Silver Star and the Purple Heart.
3 posted on 11/24/2002 7:19:26 AM PST by edwin hubble
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To: RISU
Amen.
4 posted on 11/24/2002 7:27:36 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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To: RISU
Switch to Islamic prayers and reading aloud the Koran. The liberal defenders of freedom will make certain then that your religion is "state approved".
5 posted on 11/24/2002 7:38:32 AM PST by Gary Boldwater
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To: RISU; redrock; SouthCarolinaKit; edwin hubble; WorkingClassFilth
Bump.
6 posted on 11/24/2002 7:40:50 AM PST by First_Salute
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To: Gary Boldwater
Uh huh. If they became good Muslims I am sure as day follows night the ACLU wouldn't have any problem with their saying prayers before breakfast, lunch and dinner and in between bathroom breaks.
7 posted on 11/24/2002 7:43:22 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: Stand Watch Listen; joanie-f; snopercod; mommadooo3; brityank; Covenantor; TPartyType
Bump.
8 posted on 11/24/2002 7:44:49 AM PST by First_Salute
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To: goldstategop
The ACLU doesn't approve of any prayers they haven't written. It's a church!

Take down their names and the next time we erect a theocracy here we can take care of the problem.

9 posted on 11/24/2002 8:00:07 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: RISU
This is just another manifestation of the socialists' incessant efforts to demoralize the nation.
I believe the key to defeating them is for all of us to realize that their fundamental cause is to overthrow our style of self-government and install socialism - without a shot being fired, just as the late Soviet Premier Nikita Krushchev predicted. This fundamental cause spans the entire array of liberal "causes," from PETA and animal rights to ACLU and enforced atheism. If everyone could see the "big picture," I think we'd stop them in their tracks.
The Berlin Wall symbolizes everything we need to know about socialism and communism. It was built to keep their people in, not the rest of the world out; and it inevitably fell. Communism is slavery, pure and simple. I believe this population at heart knows this, but they're not altogether aware of the fact that the democRat party has been highjacked by the socialists. The thing they - we - need to face is that there is no political salvation in this party, and increasingly in the GOP as well.
The Founding Fathers understood the perils of a nation basically unaware of where their political leaders are taking the country. We are seeing the essence of their fears, played out by the extensive infiltration of those who wish to destroy our way of life throughout the government of this country. We ignore this threat at our own peril.
10 posted on 11/24/2002 8:51:49 AM PST by Marauder
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To: Marauder
I wanted you to know how much I appreciate that you communicated in the open so forthrightly. I agree with everything you said, and I am beginning to have some hope. Perhaps there are others who can "see" this.

But the question I keep coming back to is "how can they be defeated?" when they are born and bred "Americans". How do people grow up in this country so ignorant of "truth" and "life" that they become these huge out-from-under-the-rocks threats to our basic way of life?

When I saw that the judge that wants to ban the 10 commandments from the capitol in Alabama was black, my first thought was "is he a Muslim intent upon killing off Christians and America?"
11 posted on 11/24/2002 9:15:07 AM PST by RISU
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To: RISU
I would like to sue the US Congress and Senate for opening every session with a prayer and put this insanity to rest!

To clarify, I am FOR prayers being allowed in all public institutions -- not mandated, but allowed. This kind of garbage, such as prayer prohibited at VMI, only occurs because the US House and Senate is immune from following the laws the rest of us are bound by. Maybe if someone sued the House and Senate to stop THEM from saying prayers in those government institutions, maybe they would get off their high horses and start fighting for the rest of us.

But who am I kidding? Never happen.

12 posted on 11/24/2002 10:42:54 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
I am a citadel Cadet and I recently talked to a few VMI cadets at the Citadel/VMI game last weekend and they have not stopped saying the prayer and do not plan on stopping anytime soon. There is a similar situation at the Citadel. However, we as cadets continue to do our duty to the traditions on which the Citadel was founded and continue to say the cadet prayer.
I believe that no matter what kind of legal order is imposed upon the military institutions of the United States, we are all devoted men and women and we are willing to do whatever it takes to uphold our way of life and suffer the consequences of those actions.
We will continue to say our prayer until they arrest us all and throw us in prison for it...which would make a perfect lawsuit for infringing the First amendment.

Signed
Citadel Marine
Son of w.w.smith
13 posted on 11/24/2002 11:14:25 AM PST by W. W. SMITH
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To: W. W. SMITH
We will continue to say our prayer until they arrest us all and throw us in prison for it...which would make a perfect lawsuit for infringing the First amendment.

Chesty would be proud of ya.

14 posted on 11/24/2002 11:17:32 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: RISU
But the question I keep coming back to is "how can they be defeated?"

The only way I know of is to make sure that normal people understand what these degenerates are about, that the only way to defeat them is as a unified population, and that time is of the essence.

The liberals aren't meeting and planning their strategy; they are all of one mind; it's as if whenever they see someone like Hillary Clinton or the ACLU making the news, they agree with what they're doing, because it's what they would do; they all have the same goal, the destruction of everything we normal people hold dear.

It's why any groups that threaten the status quo are welcomed by liberals with open arms. They are brethren united in that single purpose. Our only recourse is to talk to each other to ensure that everyone understands the ramifications of adoption of the principals of liberalism - ALL of them - as soon as we can. This is going to take some time, but we have a head start in view of the democRats' decimating defeat this past election. Two advantages we could enjoy: (1) Getting the message out will ensure that the decades-old liberal drive to destroy us will fail, and (2) those liberal Republicans will surely see the results.

15 posted on 11/24/2002 2:03:38 PM PST by Marauder
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To: First_Salute
If VMI would refuse federal (taxpayer) money, they wouldn't have this problem.
16 posted on 11/24/2002 2:43:33 PM PST by snopercod
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To: RISU
Bump
17 posted on 11/24/2002 2:54:19 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: W. W. SMITH
I am from San Francisco. I had the opportunity to visit VMI last month while on vacation. I was impressed. I see daily on the streets of San Francisco youths with nipple rings, spiked orange hair, grunge clothes, complete selfishness and self indulgence. And standing in sharp contrast to that immediate gratification I saw the Cadets of VMI taking the longer, harder road of self-discipline, sacrifce, personal achievement and a desire to excel.

The cadets of VMI, the Citadel, West Point and Annapolis are amazing people and I am very proud of them. I am proud of you for standing on principle. The left will not rest until all of our traditions and cherished institutions are destroyed. People such as yourself are all that stand in their way. Thank you.

18 posted on 11/24/2002 6:45:00 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: Marauder
You know, when you get right down to it the behavior you describe, of cooperating with each other in spite of there being to "plan" is the literal definition of the word "CONSPIRACY", literrally "breathing together"

We say we are "free", but I look around me daily and see nothing but "Do as you are told or be fined" messages. Most recently here in Austin where there is a non-stop media blitz assuring you that if you do not wear a seat belt you will be fined $200.

Under "freedom" who has the right to command anyone to "do" anything?
19 posted on 11/26/2002 6:34:58 AM PST by RISU
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To: RISU
...and as a postscript, Austin, and three other cities (Boston and one oither I think) has "banned" cigarette smoking in ALL resturants. They saw that people were leaving town to eat, so they went to the ring communities and banned it there as well.

Freedom? ok, sure. "Our way of life". Worth defending? Yes, if you are afraid of yourself and need someone else to run your life for you.
20 posted on 11/26/2002 6:38:09 AM PST by RISU
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