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The divine nature of Christ does not make His human nature non-human.

Both coexisted in the person of Christ. He was fully God and fully man - the God/Man.

In the Eucharist, we are joined to Christ by body and blood, we become one with His humanity so that through Him we might encounter divinity. This would not be possible if the bread and wine somehow ceased being a created thing.

122 posted on 03/09/2004 9:06:20 PM PST by MarMema (Next year in Constantinople!)
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Well, I am sorry that you are "tired" of countless repetitions -- we were all not here at the same time. Rather than being sick of it, you should be honored that God gave you the opportunity to talk about Him and perhaps enlighten others. But that's another matter.

Even Orthodox theologians do not agree with what you and your clergy are saying, nor does anyone dismiss it as "basic Orthodox teaching," but rather as a difficult issue that never goes out of date.

The concept you and allegedly your clergy espouse -- that the Body is inside the bread and Blood inside the wine -- is known as cosubstantiation, of which Marthin Luther is the author. So, if you think that my giving some recognition (not primacy), in principle, to the Catholic dogma of transubstantiation is worth your scorn, what is one to say of embracing the theory born in a schism of a schism that even most Portestants reject?

As Metropolitan Philaret of Moscow wrote in his Longer Catechism, concerning the changing of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ, "this none can understand but God; but only this much is signified, that the bread truly, really and substantially becomes the very true Body of the Lord, and the wine the very Blood of the Lord."

123 posted on 03/09/2004 10:54:08 PM PST by kosta50
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This would not be possible if the bread and wine somehow ceased being a created thing

consubstantiation

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Consubstantiation is one of the beliefs held by Christians about the Eucharist.

It holds that during the sacrament the Body of Christ enters the bread, and the Blood of Christ enters the wine, but they continue to be also bread and wine.

Today some Christian faiths, notably Anglicanism and Lutheranism, profess the doctrine of Consubstantiation. In England in the late 14th century, there was a political and religious movement known as Lollardy. Among much broader goals, the Lollards affirmed a form of consubstantiation -- that the Eucharist remained physically bread and wine, while becoming spiritually the body and blood of Christ. Lollardy was effectively ended with the execution of John Badby for heresy by burning at the stake.

MarMema, you need to revisit Orthodoxy and get back on the right track, because you have taken the wrong exit in my opinion and are teaching that which is not of Orthodox faith.

124 posted on 03/10/2004 1:48:23 AM PST by kosta50
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