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Putin Questions Terrorism Efforts (Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are the problem)
austin360.com ^ | 11-22-02 1408EST | AP White House Correspondent

Posted on 11/22/2002 12:55:11 PM PST by Destro

Putin Questions Terrorism Efforts

By RON FOURNIER

AP White House Correspondent

PUSHKIN, Russia (AP)--Russian President Vladimir Putin told President Bush on Friday the United States should not wage war alone against Iraq, and questioned whether White House allies like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are doing enough to fight terrorism.

``Where has Osama bin Laden taken refuge?'' the Russian said in a joint news conference with Bush at an 18th-century czarist castle.

The sharply worded question, though not a direct criticism of Bush, underscored the frustration felt by U.S. officials since the al-Qaida leader resurfaced after months of silence in an audiotape praising recent terrorist attacks.

Meeting beneath the golden domes of Catherine Palace, Bush cited the recent arrest of al-Qaida's Persian Gulf operations chief, Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, as evidence of the U.S.-led coalition's success.

``People who love freedom are one person safer as a result of us finding this guy,'' the president said.

But Putin, while issuing a statement in support of Bush's Iraq policy, followed quickly with severe doubts about the war on terrorism.

``We should not forget about those who finance terrorism,'' Putin said, noting that 15 of the Sept. 11 terrorists were Saudi citizens. ``We should not forget about that.''

Putin also cited reports that bin Laden is hiding in the Afghanistan-Pakistan border region, wondering aloud whether Pakistan President Musharraf Pervez has done enough to stabilize the area.

``What can happen with armies, arms, weapons that exist in Pakistan, including weapons of mass destruction?'' he said.

``Russia's a friend, not an enemy,'' Bush said at the news conference.

Putin said he did not think the alliance's expansion was necessary, but pledged to maintain warm relations with NATO allies, including the new invitees that were in the Soviet Union's sphere less than a decade ago.

The two leaders released a statement demanding that Iraq comply with the U.N. resolution or face ``severe consequences.''

But Putin urged Bush not to go to war without the consent of the United Nations, a pledge the president has been unwilling to make.

``Diplomats have carried out very difficult and very complex work, and we do believe that we have to stay within the framework of the work being carried out by the United Nations,'' Putin said.

With war on the horizon once again, Russia wants assurances that military action in Iraq won't jeopardize its economic interests with Baghdad or drop oil prices so low that it hurts Moscow's already ailing economy.

Though there was little talk about the issue Friday, Bush has assured Putin he will do what it can on both counts, administration officials said. They said Moscow may be overestimating America's influence in a postwar Iraq.

Putin fears that lifting the U.N. trade sanctions on Iraq after a war could trigger an influx of Western oil interests that would collapse oil prices. The administration officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Russia has been told the United States cannot control oil markets, but Bush has long supported efforts to keep oil prices stable.

Russia also wants to protect Russian oil contracts in Iraq, and hopes to recover more than $8 billion in debts owed by Iraq.

Bush has assured Putin that Russia will be a major player in building a postwar Iraq, officials said, meaning Moscow would be free to pursue its debts while oil industry competes on an even playing field in Iraq with Western interests.

On another sticky issue, Bush renewed his hope that Putin can find a political way to resolve the fighting in Chechnya, which Russia considers a breakaway province, U.S. officials said. Bush has acknowledged terrorist elements in the Chechnya.

AP-NY-11-22-02 1408EST

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Russia
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To: Argus
Right ... Divide and Conquer. We cannot go after our 'friends' the saudis just yet; better to educate them in improving their governance *after* Iran and Iraq have a change of government.
21 posted on 11/22/2002 5:51:22 PM PST by WOSG
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To: spetznaz
what a stunning indictment. And these guys have a few hundred billion worth of oil still to pump ...

okay, :-) is a smiley ... what's the characters used to show the hairs on your back starting to stand upright?
22 posted on 11/22/2002 5:55:05 PM PST by WOSG
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To: swarthyguy
I think it's funny the way Bush and Putin are playing "good cop, bad cop" to their respective countries. Notice the article said Bush is now acknowledging terrorist factions among the Chechens, while Putin fingers the Saudis and Pakis for Bush.They are a good team.
23 posted on 11/22/2002 6:02:17 PM PST by omegab
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To: greasyHeart
How can Bush acknowledge (2) that there are terrorist camps in Chechnya, yet (1) ask Russia to find a "political" solution?

Maybe because Wahhabites in Chechnya are related to Saudies - our friends?

24 posted on 11/22/2002 6:40:50 PM PST by A. Pole
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To: Eva
Perhaps Bush is urging Putin to find a political solution to his terroist problem in the same way that Putin is urging Bush to find a political solution to the Iraq problem.

How many WTC bombers came from Iraq?

25 posted on 11/22/2002 6:44:11 PM PST by A. Pole
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To: SamAdams76
Putin is trying to hold Bush back in Iraq and Bush is trying to hold Putin back on Chechyna. What is up with that?

Lats time I looked at the map, Chechnya was still a part of Russian territory.

26 posted on 11/22/2002 6:46:28 PM PST by A. Pole
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To: meenie
It's obvious that the US should take charge of finding a political solution to the Chechnya situation while the Russian president solves the political problem in Iraq. Both problems get a political solution and both countries can think of something else.

Chechnya is still a part of Russia and majority of Chechens live outside of Chechnya (100 000 of them in Moscow).

27 posted on 11/22/2002 6:48:35 PM PST by A. Pole
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To: omegab
Wasn't thinking that way. That's an optimistic and reassuring scenario.
28 posted on 11/22/2002 9:41:24 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: Destro; keri; Nogbad
``We should not forget about those who finance terrorism,'' Putin said, noting that 15 of the Sept. 11 terrorists were Saudi citizens. ``We should not forget about that.''

Putin also cited reports that bin Laden is hiding in the Afghanistan-Pakistan border region, wondering aloud whether Pakistan President Musharraf Pervez has done enough to stabilize the area.

``What can happen with armies, arms, weapons that exist in Pakistan, including weapons of mass destruction?'' he said.

In spite of what the article claims, I think that there may not have been any major disagreements between Bush and Putin regarding terrorism or Iraq. What Putin said is true, and I believe it is consistent with U.S. policy. This may not be entirely obvious now, with the focus on Iraq, but our attention will turn elsewhere after Iraq. The war will take time, and we cannot do everything simultaneously.

Bush and Putin may even have agreed to help each other out a bit. Putin can say things about Pakistan, for instance, that Bush cannot right now.

There does appear to have been some contentiousness between the two presidents at this meeting, but I think it was primarily on the subject of NATO expansion.

29 posted on 11/22/2002 11:49:48 PM PST by Mitchell
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To: Tennessean4Bush
One at a time, over time. Be patient. Be reasonable.

Whilo we are being "patient" and "reasonable", Pakistan is going the way of Iran, and we are leaving Afganistan to the thoroughly corrupt warlords and the paid-off drug pusher Karzai.

As one astute Fox News analyst said, "we don't need Pakistan as a democracy right now". Chilling to American ears perhaps, but true. The U.S. should have 50,000 men in Afganistan and Pakistan, and have total control of their nukes. In addition, the Saudi/American axis of graft must be smashed once and for all, regardless of the political, financial and industrial carnage which would follow.

30 posted on 11/22/2002 11:54:17 PM PST by montag813
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To: Rye
We can expect Putin to keep this up so that after we liberate Iraq and its oil goes freely onto markets, and the price comes back down, we will need to buy from Russia as the spotlight focuses more on the Saudi terror support.
31 posted on 11/23/2002 12:07:58 AM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: A. Pole
Yeah, and I have an old map showing India as part of Brtish territorry
32 posted on 11/23/2002 2:01:41 AM PST by anatolfz
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To: Destro
Putin is right.
33 posted on 11/23/2002 2:30:49 AM PST by BnBlFlag
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To: spetznaz
Applause for your cutting-to-the-quick analysis.

I loathe the Saudis and see no reason for their continued existance.

34 posted on 11/23/2002 3:59:06 AM PST by happygrl
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To: happygrl
By the way you signed onto FR on my Birthday! Just noticed it!

:D

Freegards,

Spetz!

35 posted on 11/23/2002 4:10:31 AM PST by spetznaz
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To: anatolfz
Yeah, and I have an old map showing India as part of Brtish territorry

There is a BIG difference between old and recent map. Trying to change the recent map is very costly, risky and you might end up supporting Al-Quada instead of Ghandi.

36 posted on 11/23/2002 5:12:54 AM PST by A. Pole
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To: montag813
Iraq is still the first one that should go. Iran will flip without hardly any effort, and then our hand will be so flush that all other players will fold when we say "Boo!". Keep your powder dry.
38 posted on 11/23/2002 7:43:17 AM PST by Tennessean4Bush
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To: Destro
Bush seems not to be personally engaged with the Chechen issue. Accordingly, the State Department anti-Americans make U.S. policy on Chechnya.

Chechnya has been an integral part of Russia for two centuries. The Chechens are Jihadists committed to killing every American. Therefore, we ask ourselves: what U.S. interest is served by an autonomous Chechnya? None.




39 posted on 11/23/2002 8:10:32 AM PST by Man of the Right
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To: greasyHeart
It is also a profound indictment of the shrill party line that it is only a tiny minority of Muslims who are dangerous. If the majority of Muslims were benevolent, then a democracy would be good news to us (the presumptive good guys) and bad news to the Islamic "radicals."

An excellent point.

40 posted on 11/23/2002 9:27:37 AM PST by montag813
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