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N.Y. Firefighters Protest Book About WTC Clean-Up
Yahoo ^ | 11/18/02 | Martha Graybow

Posted on 11/19/2002 11:13:18 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

NEW YORK (Reuters) - An author whose account of the World Trade Center clean-up included allegations that firefighters looted from the Twin Towers was met with angry protests on Monday night during his book tour.

About 100 firefighters and other protesters gathered outside a museum in lower Manhattan, where journalist William Langewiesche read from his book, "American Ground: Unbuilding the World Trade Center." During months of recovery and clean-up after the Sept. 11 attacks, Langewiesche had unrestricted access to the site, known as Ground Zero.

Hundreds of firefighters were among the nearly 3,000 victims of the trade center attacks. They have widely been hailed as heroes for bravery on Sept. 11.

Firefighters said Langewiesche's book is full of lies and distortions, most notably in a passage that suggests firefighters took a stack of jeans from a Gap store at the Trade Center after the buildings were struck. Firefighters say no such event took place.

"The author of this book is a disgrace to his profession," said Capt. Peter Gorman, president of the Uniformed Fire Officers Association, which organized the rally. "His book is trash and it belongs in the Staten Island landfill."

Langewiesche has stood by his account. In the December issue of the Atlantic Monthly magazine, where his book originally appeared as a three-part series, he responded to the firefighters' angry comments by saying he was told the story about the jeans by numerous witnesses.

"During the five months of exhaustive fact-checking by the magazine, the story was verified by multiple eyewitnesses," he wrote. "We have since gone back to those sources, and found others who were at the scene -- all of whom repeat the core of the story."

Speaking to reporters after his invitation-only talk at the South Street Seaport Museum, Langewiesche said the looting incident he reported was based on comments of others at Ground Zero and that they were not his own allegations.

"I was writing about their reactions, not about what happened on Sept. 11," he said.

The editors of the Atlantic Monthly, where Langewiesche is a correspondent, said in a statement that they stand behind the book and "it would be a complete misreading" to believe the book denigrates the New York City Fire Department.


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1 posted on 11/19/2002 11:13:18 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"The author of this book is a disgrace to his profession," said Capt. Peter Gorman, president of the Uniformed Fire Officers Association, which organized the rally. "His book is trash and it belongs in the Staten Island landfill."

The truth can be very painful but that doesn't mean it isn't true. Some of the firemen were looters. Live with it.

Richard W.

2 posted on 11/19/2002 11:20:42 AM PST by arete
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To: arete
Do you know which firefighters were looters? Is there a link to an article which names them, or could you post a list of the looting firefighters?
3 posted on 11/19/2002 11:31:25 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
I'm afraid that you will have to buy the book.

Richard W.

4 posted on 11/19/2002 11:34:29 AM PST by arete
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
The powers that be are saying that the jeans blew into the fire truck when the tower collapsed.........

That they are no longer denying the fire truck contained the jeans I think it is the fire company with the problem, not the author.

5 posted on 11/19/2002 11:37:42 AM PST by OldFriend
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To: arete
I agree. Firefighters are no better or worse than your average man. It's almost impossible to believe that none of them had sticky fingers when sifting through the debris. And I don't want anyone to say that any cash or jewelry was "owed" to them for the work they did.
6 posted on 11/19/2002 11:40:33 AM PST by LetsRok
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To: Catspaw
Sure, no problem ... the link with the fireman's names is right next to the link that names the people involved in looting stores in Compton during the Rodney King riot.

Human nature and eyewitnesses to looting are documented. A wish that no fireman would do something 'un-herolike' is pure emotionalism. I have no doubt that some of the firemen were opportunistic; they are human.
7 posted on 11/19/2002 11:41:35 AM PST by Hodar
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I made my comments on this yesterday. I would just add that it is a certainty (going by past experience on this, and other, forums) that the vast majority of people who post comments on this controversy will: 1) NOT have bothered to read the book ( or the excerpts that appeared in THE ATLANTIC), and 2)They will have an axe to grind, either pro or con.

In short, 95% (at least) of the posts on this and other related threads will be absolutely worthless.

The "signal-to-noise" ratio is really very high here on any controversial topic. Then we add the "vanity posts" and the local crime news and stuff dealing with minor entertainers and celebrities, and one could wonder "Why bother to come here anymore?"

Just ruminating...

8 posted on 11/19/2002 11:48:17 AM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: arete
Naw, I'm not going to buy the book. I may look at it if our library gets it. If I don't like what I see, I'll reshelve it in poetry or philosophy.
9 posted on 11/19/2002 12:17:41 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
I have read several of your posts and have looked at your screen name. I find myself wondering why I am so often in agreement with the opinions of someone who jumps out of airplanes of his own free will, but I am.
10 posted on 11/19/2002 12:29:30 PM PST by Blue Screen of Death
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To: arete
We have terrorists slittting stewerdesses throats and flying planes into buildings. We have firefighters (300 of whom died in the line) helping people out of the buildings and rushing back into the burning buildings to try to save more. But this author really got to the bottom of the story by focusingg our attention on who stole a pair of levis.
11 posted on 11/19/2002 12:45:30 PM PST by jd777
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You better gather more information. An entire invertory of watches was almost wiped out by looting firemen at one shop. A couple pair of jeans? So I guess unless it was a truckload that makes it alright? Where do you people come from?

Richard W.

12 posted on 11/19/2002 12:49:22 PM PST by arete
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection; arete; LetsRok; RANGERAIRBORNE; Hodar
I knew one of the firefighters from Ladder 4 who died. What this "journalist" is claiming is ridiculous. Those poor guys were in the building the whole time, rescuing people. They didn't have time - in the middle of the worst disaster in NYC history - to stop and loot stores. They didn't even have time to go back to their truck and grab much-needed extra equipment which was also in the truck at the time.

Imagine if some of them had survived and only some of them had died and the survivors went back to the truck and found that a member of the company had returned to drop off stolen jeans but had neglected to bring back the remaining rescue equipment. That kind of thing just doesn't happen - no fireman is looting instead of helping to save his buddies' lives.

It wouldn't surprise me if, after they finished putting out a fire at a retail store, some firefighters might be tempted to sample some of the merchandise. That's only human. But it takes a truly psychopathic mind to steal stuff while your friends and coworkers are dying - to specifically steal things while you could be trying to save your brothers.

My theory? There were, as a matter of public record, a number of people walking around that day, after the towers fell and while people were combing through the rubble for survivors, who fraudulently put on police and fire uniforms and impersonated officers. They scammed people for donations, they swiped all kinds of merchandise from the underground mall and also engaged in identity theft.

Some of them are in prison right now - including a journalist who stole a dead firefighter's coat from an abandoned firetruck.

It wouldn't surprise me if one of these impostors, wearing a stolen fire uniform thought: "where can I stash these jeans I found quick? If I put it in a firetruck, I can always get it later if I'm still wearing this coat."

13 posted on 11/19/2002 1:01:32 PM PST by wideawake
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
Right on. www.theatlantic.com
14 posted on 11/19/2002 1:01:39 PM PST by Burn24
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To: arete
I find your argument petty and your tone condescending. You haven't acknowledged that 300 firefighters lost their lives while trying to save people. That's the ultimate sacrifice anyone could make. I know you're talking about the other firemen....Of course.

I'm sure people stole things. Firemen and regular citizens, And yes, the shopkeepers themselves for the insurance money. Thanks for pointing it out. See you in small claims court, troll.

15 posted on 11/19/2002 1:22:22 PM PST by jd777
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
While the vast majority of the firefighters and ironeworker were honest, there were cases. When the clean up crews finally got to the Bank of Nova Scotia vault, they found marks from people having tried to pry it open. Valuables disapeared from the mall. It's a natural human inclination to try and take things when they know that the chances of being caught are virtually zero, and they feel they are "owed" for doing their very dangerous and unpleasant work.
16 posted on 11/19/2002 1:29:42 PM PST by Mr. Burns
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To: jd777
You have some very strange ideas.

Richard W.

17 posted on 11/19/2002 3:31:48 PM PST by arete
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To: jd777
"You haven't acknowledged that 300 firefighters lost their lives while trying to save people."

I didn't know that was a matter of debate, or the topic of discussion. I don't understand why everyone is getting so emotional. Some firemen stole some stuff. Does stating the truth bother you? Usually on Free Republic we pride ourselves in the truth. Nobody is saying that all the firemen are bad because a few stole some stuff. Nobody is saying that the guys who died are somehow less heroic because some other firemen stole some stuff.

It happened. Deal with it.

18 posted on 11/19/2002 3:45:10 PM PST by Rodney King
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To: wideawake
Those poor guys were in the building the whole time, rescuing people. They didn't have time - in the middle of the worst disaster in NYC history - to stop and loot stores. They didn't even have time to go back to their truck and grab much-needed extra equipment which was also in the truck at the time.

Look, some Firemen stole some stuff. That is the reality. It is not a bid deal. It does not dishonor those who died. If anything, it honors them more that they weren't busy stealing stuff.

Your defense here is week. Not every firefighter enters the fire. In CT for example, for two guys to enter a fire, there must be two support personell outside. Besides, many firemen would have been detailed to search around the buildings to get people out.

Also, I don't beleive it is alleged that most of this looting took place while the buildings still stood. I think that most of it took place after.

Some Firemen stole some stuff. It's the truth. Live with it.

19 posted on 11/19/2002 3:48:28 PM PST by Rodney King
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To: jd777
But this author really got to the bottom of the story by focusingg our attention on who stole a pair of levis.

The author is not focusing our attention on who stole a pair of Levis. He wrote a book about the entire clean-up effort. Desiring to tell the truth, he mentioned some looting. It is certain fire chiefs and certain posters on free republic who substitute emotionalism and stupid arguments like "the jeans just sort of wound up in the fire truck" that are drawing attention to it.

20 posted on 11/19/2002 3:50:50 PM PST by Rodney King
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