Judge Moore Ain't Removing Ten Commandments (FOX NEWS)

[Dallas]

You gotta love this guy....

[pgyanke]

Me: "Judge Moore hasn't "established" a religion nor given any impression that you will be prosecuted in his court for violating the Sabbath."

You: "Again, I was just asking what others may think. Posecuted, no. Equal in the eyes of the court? That may be questionable. "

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Oh? Would you feel that you would be more equal in the eyes of the court if the Koran were ensconsed out front? The only reason we even have the rule of law is because that is a Judeo-Chrisitian value. We are the ones who believe in equality before the law (trial lawyers notwithstanding).

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

I've had enough. Thinking of Ten commandment T-shirts.

Now, what would happen if someone stopped me and asked which ones I had broken?? Oh, oh!!

First of all, I'm not even much of a (practicing, anyway) Christian, but I'd wear the tee-shirt. Second, they are Commandments, dude! They aren't supposed to be a walk in the park!

[E Rocc]

You've been reading David Barton. Before you use some of these quotes again, check out this link. Barton admits some of his quotes are probably fake, including at least two of yours.

-Eric

[R2]

No taxpayer funds were used in the Judge's display. Why do you think the taxpayers should put up the bill for your display?

[1L]

I too believe in the original intent of the passage in the 1st - which was to ensure America would not become a Theocracy and have a national religion like England.

That's not exactly what the framers had in mind for the religion clauses of the first amendment. True, they didn't want an established national religion, but their primary concern was that federal action not interfere with previously established state religions. Mass. as late as 1832 had a state religious establishment. Hence, the term, "shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

[reasonseeker]

"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors."

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

"Some have made the love of God the foundation of morality. This, too, is but a branch of our moral duties, which are generally divided into duties to God and duties to man. If we did a good act merely from the love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? It is idle to say, as some do, that no such being exists. We have the same evidence of the fact as of most of those we act on, to-wit: their own affirmations, and their reasonings in support of them. I have observed, indeed, generally, that while in protestant countries the defections from the Platonic Christianity of the priests is to Deism, in catholic countries they are to Atheism. Diderot, D'Alembert, D'Holbach, Condorcet, are known to have been among the most virtuous of men. Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than the love of God." - Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Thomas Law, June 13, 1814

"...But while this syllabus is meant to place the character of Jesus in its true and high light, as no impostor Himself, but a great Reformer of the Hebrew code of religion, it is not to be understood that I am with Him in all His doctrines. I am a Materialist; he takes the side of Spiritualism; he preaches the efficacy of repentance towards forgiveness of sin; I require counterpoise of good works to redeem it, etc., etc. It is the innocence of His character, the purity and sublimity of His moral precepts, the eloquence of His inculcations, the beauty of the apologues in which He conveys them, that I so much admire; sometimes, indeed, needing indulgence to eastern hyperbolism. My eulogies, too, may be founded on a postulate which all may not be ready to grant. Among the sayings and discourses imputed to Him by His biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others, again, of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same Being. I separate, therefore, the gold from the dross; restore to Him the former, and leave the latter to the stupidity of some, and roguery of others of His disciples. Of this band of dupes and impostors, Paul was the great Coryphaeus, and first corruptor of the doctrines of Jesus. These palpable interpolations and falsifications of His doctrines, led me to try to sift them apart. I found the work obvious and easy, and that His past composed the most beautiful morsel of morality which has been given to us by man. The syllabus is therefore of His doctrines, not all of mine. I read them as I do those of other ancient and modern moralists, with a mixture of approbation and dissent..." - Thomas Jefferson, Letter to William Short, April 13, 1820

[hattend]

Take it to the Supreme Court, Judge Moore!

[Teacher317]

If it got set there in one piece, it can be removed in one piece.

Yeah, but they'll WANT to break it into pieces, for the visible message to those on both sides of the issue.

[Kerberos]

"As Dave Barry once so aptly said "those who want to share their religious beliefs with you never want you to share yours with them."

LOL...Just out of curiosity, who was Dave Barry?

[Tribune7]

Didn't we all tell the Dems to shut up and respect the ruling of SCOTUS in Bush v. Gore?

Suppose if SCOTUS ruled against Dubya upholding the decisions of the Florida Supremes and a recount using subjective criteria in Democrat-controlled counties gave Gore the presidency? Can you see that some might feel an obligation to treat Gore's decisions and actions as president as tyrannical?

Bush v Gore was a tolerable and reasonable ruling. If courts issue intolerable and unreasonable ones they shouldn't have an expectation of those rulings being respected.

[E Rocc]

That woman lawyer is of Middle East descent isn't she?

As were Abraham, Moses, Mary, Joseph, and Jesus of Nazareth (at least half, according to one's beliefs).

-Eric

[Dallas]

I think most americans are getting tired of political correctness.

And the media can't understand why the're losing audience.

[Mike Darancette]

establishment of religion...

...or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

This is probably the most relevent part in this case.

[Kerberos]

"No taxpayer funds were used in the Judge's display. Why do you think the taxpayers should put up the bill for your display? "

I'm sorry, I thought this display was on courthouse property, which where I live is completely funded by the taxpayers.

[Teacher317]

All I simply ask is that when you have overtly religious "laws" posted in a court house, could that not imply that those religious laws are law of the land?

No more so than having His name in our oaths, in our mottos, on our money (in a society that is VERY attached to its money), or in that same courthouse for the swearing in of every witness, in every trial, every day.

[RepublicanHippy]

Well, I was just trying to be polite using the term "Middle Eastern" as opposed to "Raghead" or something like that.

[Skooz]

You might want to read my other posts. I agree with you.

[FreeTally]

Oh? Would you feel that you would be more equal in the eyes of the court if the Koran were ensconsed out front?

Oh, come on. You are getting silly now. I am not even saying I agree with this notion, but a non-Christian could feel that they would not be seen equally in the eyes of the court. A valid concern? Possibly. Do the presence of the TC's bother me? No.

The only reason we even have the rule of law is because that is a Judeo-Chrisitian value.

Complete nonsense. We dont even have rule of law. Probably never really did.

[cake_crumb]

"Do they send the U.S. Marshalls in? Homeland Security Officers?"

What is a Homeland Security Officer?

[Skooz]

It creates the impression that a citizen who (for example) does not worship the God of Abraham is not equal before the court to one who does. Such an inequality, or even the appearance thereof, is unacceptable. QED.

Based upon what law? Certainly not the 1st Amendment.