Posted on 11/18/2002 7:41:21 PM PST by doug from upland
AMERICAN LIFE LEAGUE NEWSROOM
Nancy Pelosi is not a 'conservative Catholic'; anti-life stance creates scandal within Church
"In recent media appearances, new House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has been described as a conservative Catholic," said American Life League president Judie Brown. "This disturbs me. I want her bishop to know that her public opposition to Catholic teachings is creating scandal among faithful members of the Church. It is my prayer that he will respond accordingly."
Mrs. Brown has written Archbishop William Levada of San Francisco that Rep. Pelosi (D-Calif.) is one of "many members of Congress who claim Catholicism as their creed while doing everything they can to undermine basic teachings of the Church and the Biblical principles upon which those teachings are based. And people listen to them."
Rep. Pelosi has voted repeatedly in favor of pro-abortion legislation, and has reportedly hosted representatives of the strident pro-abortion organization "Catholics for a Free Choice" in her congressional offices. "There is danger that this behavior will lead others to sin," said Mrs. Brown. "In Catholic Church terms, this is scandal."
According to Section 2284 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, "Scandal is an attitude or behavior which leads another to do evil. The person who gives scandal becomes his neighbor's tempter. He damages virtue and integrity; he may even draw his brother into spiritual death. Scandal is a grave offense if by deed or omission another is deliberately led into a grave offense."
"The Catholic hierarchy must be made aware that the public behavior of pro-abortion political figures such as Nancy Pelosi, who claim solidarity with the Catholic faith, creates an extremely dangerous situation for other Catholics," said Mrs. Brown. "It is our hope that Archbishop Levada -- and other shepherds of the Church -- will call these politicians to task for their belligerent and insistent promotion of abortion, an act which, according to Church teaching, is a grievous sin. Souls are at stake. We pray for Rep. Pelosi, that she may repent of her continued advocacy of child killing."
Release issued: 18 Nov 02
I received your profanity-laden "private reply." You're too gutless to let the rest of FR know the kind of gutter your mind apparently dwells in.
You need a Church of some kind, my friend. Or a shrink.
The Catholic Church *SHOULD* publicly oppose her claim to be a "Conservative Catholic". She is a LIAR.
How about the fact that Catholics overwhelminly vote for Democrats who promote abortion- is that OK with you? Don't you have to have ANY convictions at all to call yourself a "Catholic" anymore?
As for my language, I will tell you that I did not spend my military career in some airconditioned office- and I could have used far, far worse language.
And I'm NOT your "friend"!
There would not be a pro-life movement in the US without Catholics. Practically every pro-life organization is either led by Catholics or has a heavy Catholic presence. Catholics are undeniably the backbone of the pro-life movement.
Evangelical pro-life activism came late to the game; there were Catholics fighting the legalization of abortion before Roe v. Wade. (I know that because my aunt was one of them before my age reached double-digits; I'm 42 now.)
Where the rubber meets the road is the BALLOT BOX.
Evangelicals vote overwhelmingly Repub. Catholics vote overwhelmingly Democrat. The Democrats are the reason Roe v Wade is still on the books. Take away their RCC vote, and the Demos would be out of business and so would the abortion racket.
You will come back and say that the Roman Catholics who vote relentlessly Democrat are "not the right kind of catholics" or somesuch.
If that's the case Campion, maybe it's time for Roman Catholicism to REVISE DOWNWARDS their ludicrously inflated numbers, eh?
And anti-Catholic bigots should remove themselves to the 17th century, where they belong.
And let the millions and millions of Roman Catholic voters go unchallenged as they keep the Democrat Party happily in business.
Mustn't ask anyone to be personally responsible. That wouldn't be INCLUSIVE, right "professor"?
Where the rubber meets the road is the BALLOT BOX.
Ireland, an overwhemlingly Catholic country, bans abortions. The US and the UK, with their substantial Protestant populations, permit it. Using your own logic, perhaps Americans should shut up about abortion until they reverse Roe .vs. Wade, and leave the discussion to the Irish, who amended their constitution in the last few years to make sure abortion stays illegal.
Interestingly, in Northern Ireland, the one corner of Ireland with a Protestant majority (a majority, incidentally, with strong affinities to Evangelical Protestantism in the US), abortion is legal (albeit hard to come by.)
Personally, I don't consider support of a pro-abortion political position compatible with Catholicism, and nor does the Church.
U.S. Catholics vote OVERWHELMINGLY Democrat.
That is a statistical, demographic FACT.
If all U.S. Catholics magically stopped voting tomorrow, the Democrat Party would go out of business.
That is a political statistical FACT.
It is understandably maddening to hear Catholics bloviate about "how bad abortion is" and then go to the polls by the tens of millions and VOTE for the very politicians who make abortion possible.
No, I'll say that they're disobedient Catholics; tares amongst the wheat, which Christ explicitly told us to expect. If they want to obey the teaching of the Church, a very clear and detailed explanation of same can be found here.
Why don't you read it, so you can have an actual coherent discussion about what Catholicism teaches, rather than your ongoing tirade about this new revelation you have that Catholics are sinners, and too many Catholics sin when they vote. (Hint: dead ... horse ... you're ... beating ... read ... my ... link.)
Practicing Catholics voted 57% for Bush in 2000.
By the way, I guess what you're saying is that "mainline Protestants" aren't the right kind of Protestant, eh? Sort of like CINO's aren't the right kind of Catholic? I guess what you're trying to do is to paint faithful Catholics as guilty for the sins of faithless Catholics, while faithful Protestants get a free pass over the sins of faithless Protestants. Hypocrite.
How do those figures stack up against the "babies-who-had-water-sprinkled-on-their-heads-Catholics"?
That will take care of a lot of Catholics.. The majority of Catholics are pro life until they get in the voting booth and then they vote Democrat for the social programs they all love so well.
I have asked so many why they vote Democrat when their church puts all those little crosses out front of the church to represent aborted babies.. Their answer is always the same. " Yea I know but the democrats give us so many other things." It's about the time of year for the little grave markers to go up again.
Evangelicals don't lump themselves in with all kinds of people who claim "christianity" like J.W.'s or Christian Science, etc.
We go by the BIBLE. If it's a doctrine that you can't show proof of from the Bible, we ain't interested.
Hence my opposition to Roman Catholicism.
This thread is not about THEOLOGY (We've both participated on hundreds of those kind of threads). This thread's about abortion. And my questions revolve around Roman Catholicism's ardent support for the Democrat Party which hails abortion as the cornerstone of it's faith.
What exactly (to the best of your knowledge) is the reason so many tens of millions of Roman Catholics prefer the party of Abortionists and Homosexuals to the Repubs?
I'd sincerely like to know.
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