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1 posted on 11/18/2002 12:59:04 PM PST by JohnGalt
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Breaking News: Usama bin Laden is STILL dead.

That is all.

2 posted on 11/18/2002 1:01:19 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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turning a blind eye to the crimes of past-and-present Israeli political leaders such as Menachem Begin, Yitzhak Shamir (both terrorists), and Ariel Sharon (war criminal),

The author's real pro-Arafat agenda exposed.

6 posted on 11/18/2002 1:23:27 PM PST by bassmaner
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Intelligent and patriotic Israelis know this, which is why they are outraged by the part played by evangelicals in the United States, stirring up Israel to bring on the end of the Jewish people and the world.

Is Fleming as stupid as the stuff he writes makes him out to be? Does the knuckle-dragger actually think Ariel Sharon gives a rat's ass what Pat Robertson thinks?

7 posted on 11/18/2002 1:24:20 PM PST by sinkspur
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Osama's declaration, if it proves to be authentic....

Never will be, never can be.

8 posted on 11/18/2002 1:30:11 PM PST by Musket
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To: JohnGalt
Americans, since September 11, 2001, have been lying in their beds with the covers pulled up over their heads.

I wish. Been too busy working to sleep late...

12 posted on 11/18/2002 1:36:33 PM PST by dirtboy
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Americans, since September 11, 2001, have been lying in their beds with the covers pulled up over their heads

Uhh, John, I don't know whose bedrooms you've been creeping around in but this doesn't describe most of the Americans I know.

Well, Osama is back, ripping back the covers and forcing us to stare the bogeyman in the face.

LOL
18 posted on 11/18/2002 2:11:04 PM PST by pt17
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19 posted on 11/18/2002 2:21:54 PM PST by x-navy seal
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It sounds to me like this guy is saying, "If we leave them alone, they'll leave us alone."
Is this author on LSD?
22 posted on 11/18/2002 3:18:23 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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Gangsters, terrorists, and warlords (many of them former Taliban leaders) are tearing Afghanistan apart and making people sigh for the good old days when the Taliban kept some semblance of order.

Swap "Taliban" for "former Soviets" and "Afghanistan" for "Russia," and you have the EXACT argument many used in from 1989 onward about supposed U.S. failures in dealing with the breakup of the Soviet Union. This author is all over the place in his handwringing and does not seem to have a particular ideological anchor. For this reason, there are nuggets in his article with which people from across the political spectrum can agree. But his bottom line is the same old familiar blame-America screed.

25 posted on 11/18/2002 5:33:34 PM PST by Wolfstar
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Well, Osama is back, ripping back the covers and forcing us to stare the bogeyman in the face. Gangsters, terrorists, and warlords (many of them former Taliban leaders) are tearing Afghanistan apart and making people sigh for the good old days when the Taliban kept some semblance of order. Even allowing for Osama's characteristic exaggeration, the Saudi leader has put his cards on the table: "For how long will fear, massacres, destruction, exile, orphanhood, and widowhood be our lot, while security, stability, and joy remain yours alone? As you kill, you will be killed; as you raid, you will be raided." The New York Times, with the unintended wit that only comes from stupidity, headlined the story, "New recording may be threat from Bin Laden

Where is the part about Bin Laden attacking us until we convert to Islam?
Is Mr. Flemming dissembling the story because he has an agenda congruent with some of Bin Laden's demands and wishes to ignore the actual threat?

Osama's declaration, if it proves to be authentic, could not come at a worse time for the Bush administration. After last week's victory in the Security Council, the President and his advisors were already toasting to victory over Iraq, their glasses filled to the brim the finest vintage from the grapes of wrath (Mogen David 2002?).
Idiotic swipe at Israel. Isreal was a loser in 1991 and will be again. Israel will be forced to lose security and take hits so the US can get help from Arab states.

And now the bogeyman reminds them that practitioners of the religion of peace, on Bali, in the United States, in the Middle East, in Russia, are continuing to murder their Christian and post-Christian enemies.

So, shouldn't we kill off the Islamists before they kill us?

The Clinton Doctrine, taken over by the decision-makers of the Bush administration (Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz), was clear: Right or wrong, justified or not, the government of the United States can make war with impunity. In a strict sense, this is true. Government officials, hiding in their bunkers, had nothing to fear on September 11; it was only the rest of us who were exposed.

Mr. Fleming has just shown his stupidty. That was not the Clinton doctrine. It has been teh policy of every president since George Washington. Perhaps Mr. Flemming should read up on the Quasi War, the Barbary Pirates fight, a few hundred small actions in the pacific in the 19th century over trade....

I do not entirely blame the Bush administration for concealing the facts from us. Americans fear the truth and are unable to accept any version of reality that does not come in the starkest outline of black and white. How else to explain the rush among the evangelicals to support Israel at all cost, turning a blind eye to the crimes of past-and-present Israeli political leaders such as Menachem Begin, Yitzhak Shamir (both terrorists), and Ariel Sharon (war criminal), and to the danger posed by the lunatic fringe element led by Benjamin Netanyahu?

Because these are cobnservatives, you know the people that Flemming would suppoert if he were not a paleo-confederate.

How else to explain the unqualified defense of Muslims shown by leftists, pacifists, and some antiwar libertarians?
And the cowardly paleo-cons who would preffer to give into Islamist demands and throw our allies to the alligator in the hope we are eaten last?

Life can be complicated. It is possible to work for the survival of Israel without endorsing the policies of Sharon and Netanyahu;

When the Reconquista of Aztlan becomes violent, I expect Fleming to call for surrender! Or is he being intellectually dishonest in support of his cowardly agenda?

it is equally possible to condemn the corruption and bad faith of Yasir Arafat, without wishing to see the Palestinians pushed into the sea.
Who is talking about ethnically cleansing Jordan? Ow wait, Flemming buys the leftist-Arab nationalist-Islamist line on Israel. My bad.

It is even possible to understand that Muslims (not just "radical Islamicists") around the world represent a greater danger to the West than the combined forces of Communism and Nazism ever did, without wishing to murder innocent Muslims in their beds.

Straw man alert. No sane person is calling for killing all Muslims. Teh most extreme interventionists only want to overthrow the governments and reform thier societies.

I am neither a pacifist nor an isolationist. America has become a great power and is stuck with the role, for the time being. The best great-power policy at this moment would be to draw in our horns, bring back the troops from the Balkans and from other trouble-spots around the world, and coerce Israel, Palestine, Syria, Egypt, and Jordan into a reasonable settlement of the crisis, dictated by the U.S., our European allies, and Russia. By "reasonable," I mean one that is arranged by impartial Westerners who have neither Arabic nor Israeli ties of blood or sentiment.
Sell out our allies in the hope that the Islamists only mean half of their Mein Kampf. Czeco... er Israel is expendable as was Lebanon.

It the Bush administration can back up its claims against Saddam Hussein, then strikes against Iraqi weapons factories and military installations may well be justifiable, but not a full-scale war that will cause the deaths of hundreds of thousand of civilians and destroy what little of the fragile infrastructure remains. But no reasonable solution can be discussed, much less implemented, so long as the political classes continue to lie to us, pretending that Mohammad did not found a religion of war and terrorism, covering up the reality of the situation in Palestine, incessantly repeating the mantra "Iraq's weapons of mass destruction," as if the United States were not the world's greatest producer and supplier of such weapons, as if our government had not armed, not only Iraq, but also Afghanistan and Al Qaeda.
Interesting. Small truths to hide lies.
The US did not arm Al Qaeuda. This would be the standard leftist agitprop of greens except for the fact that a so-called rightist is righting it. What a useful idiot.

26 posted on 11/18/2002 6:01:14 PM PST by rmlew
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How can we go after Hitler when Tojo is still running around loose?

How do we know that Hitler is dead??? We never saw the body!

How long is this going to take? After all, it took Hillary 2 years to surrender her law firm billing records.

We don't negotiate with terrorists. If the terrorists demand that we not attack Iraq (otherwise more American civilians will be targeted) then they are trying to get us over a barrell. Freedom is lost, the terrorists win.

Where was the barf alert?

27 posted on 11/18/2002 7:22:41 PM PST by weegee
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Our educational system ensures that we know neither history nor geography, and every administration during my lifetime has preferred to use propaganda (rather than information) to justify its policies.

The author discounts freewill.

Sure, our educational system doesn't teach us history and geography, BUT it can't ensure that we will not learn such.

29 posted on 11/18/2002 8:01:31 PM PST by FreeReign
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