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Someone told me recently that I probably don't belong on this forum and I am beginning to think they may be right.

The hatred I see on here against others that is reflected by these religious leaders goes beyond my comprehension.

Timoty McVeigh was a white milita member that helped blow up the Murrah Building in a city north of where I live. He was a Vietnam Vet who had hate because of Waco (I guess), so he used Waco as an excuse to kill innocent people including children. I found that ludicrous and was disgusted when clinton blamed white male conservatives and talk radio.

Now we have members of a religious faith using that faith as a shield to go out and terrorize the Israeli's and right here in this Country fly into buildings and kill people. Does that make every members of the Islamic faith responsible? Where in the Koran does it say to commit acts of terrorism on people that did absolutely nothing to you.

These people that are terrorists use their religion. I cannot speak for the leaders because I think they are dead wrong in not condemning members of their religion that are terrorists, but I can also say that I am disappointed in Christian religious leaders giving such hate filled speech and what does it gain. Come out and condemn the terrorists not the entire religion. Not to mention Swaggart has the credibility of a knat!

Um, Tim McVeigh was born in 1968. I think you mean he was a Gulf War Veteran. The US was out of Vietnam before he was out of diapers.

Islam is not Christianity. Wishful thinking cannot change reality.

In matters political Islam is a system of despotism at home and aggression abroad. The Prophet commanded absolute submission to the imâm. In no case was the sword to be raised against him. The rights of non-Moslem subjects are of the vaguest and most limited kind, and a religious war is a sacred duty whenever there is a chance of success against the "Infidel". Medieval and modern Mohammedan, especially Turkish, persecutions of both Jews and Christians are perhaps the best illustration of this fanatical religious and political spirit.

("Where in the Koran does it say to commit acts of terrorism on people that did absolutely nothing to you.")

The koran is filled with references regarding the killing of the "infidel" if he doesn't submit to Islam...my goodness, aren't you even aware of the history of the first several hundred years after Islam began in 632. By 732 Islam was on the doorstep of Europe before Charles Martel defeated an Islamic force at Tours. Islam at its heart is a very violent religion which also advocates brutal repression of women...don't the terms Taliban and burka mean any-thing to you? You are aware of that poor Nigerian woman who is to be stoned because she was raped and and made pregnant, but can't prove that she wasn't promiscuous...because the man involved denies it and there weren't 4 witnesses(according to Islamic sharia law) who observed?

You call your-self phi-kap mom...well put on your thinking cap won't you?!

"Where in the Koran does it say to commit acts of terrorism on people that did absolutely nothing to you."

Right here:

sura 9:5: "Fight and slay the pagans [anyone who is not Muslim] wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in *every* stratagem of war".

Sura 8:59: "Let not the unbelievers think they will ever get away...strike *terror* into the enemy of God and your enemy...rouse the faithful to arms! If they incline to peace (*) make peace with them"

(*) context shows that this actually means "accept the Islamic faith", and *not* what most Westerners would interpret "incline to peace" to mean.

Sura 6:152: A Muslim can kill *any* person he wishes if it be a "just cause" ("just cause" == United Islamic States of America? "just cause" == eliminate the Jewish "scourge" from "Palestine (all of it)"? etc)

Sura 9:29: "Fight those who believe not even if they be People of the book [Christians and Jews] until they have willingly agreed to pay the Jizya tribute in recognition of their submissive state."

Sura 5:33: If Islam is resisted: "Their punishment is...execution or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet, the opposite sides, or exile from the land."

Sura 9:73: "Prophet, make war on unbelievers and hypocrites and deal rigorously with them."

Sura 5:49: "If they reject your judgement, know that it is Allah's wish to scourge them for their sins".

Concerning your friends who are Muslim. They are acting in contradiction to their own Holy Book by befriending you.

Sura 5:51: "Believers [Muslims] take neither Jews nor Christans to be your friends; they are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number, and God does not guide wrong-doers [e.g. those who are Jews or Christians]."

Sura 5:60 "O believers, take not as your friends those of them, who were given the Book before you, and the unbelievers, who take your religion in mockery and as a sport..."

Sura 4:90: "seize them and put them to death wherever you find them, kill them wherever you find them, seek out the enemies of Islam relentlessly"

Sura 2:193: "Fight them until Islam reigns supreme"

Sura 8:12: "Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers"

Sura 9:123: Muslims must make war on the infidels (unbelievers) who live around them. This makes no exception for "non-combatants" -- and you would expect that "those who live near" are by-and-large what we would call civilians.

Sura 48:29: Muslims are to be "ruthless to unbelievers"

Also...
Sura 2:273
Sura 4:96
Sura 4:101

Someone told me recently that I probably don't belong on this forum and I am beginning to think they may be right.

The hatred I see on here against others that is reflected by these religious leaders goes beyond my comprehension.

No...you DO BELONG here. There are many of us who agree with you, with Powell and our wonderful President!

God bless!

I applaud you and your post.

Timoty McVeigh was a white milita member that helped blow up the Murrah Building in a city north of where I live

...acting as an agent of the Iraqi Government.