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Re-enactors plan to protest Klan
Sun Herald ^ | Nov. 13, 2002 | TOM WILEMON

Posted on 11/13/2002 11:14:51 AM PST by stainlessbanner

BILOXI - A group of Confederate re-enactors plans to demonstrate against the Ku Klux Klan if the Klan marches through Biloxi on Nov. 30.

Michael D. Kelley, colonel of the 37th Texas Cavalry re-enactors, said Confederate organizations should take a stand against racist groups using Confederate symbols. The re-enactors plan to hold signs opposing the KKK and furl their flags at the approach of any white-robed Klansmen.

"When the Klan comes around, we will turn our backs and drop our flags to show our disapproval," Kelley said.

The KKK has received a permit to march along city sidewalks, but Kelley's group has not. Kelley, who lives in Pascagoula, said he plans to contact city officials to see if his group is required to obtain a permit.

Kelley said he does not consider the KKK to be a Southern organization.

Jeff Davis of Gainesville, Ga., who said he is a "collateral descendant" of the only president of the Confederate States of America, plans to participate in the counterdemonstration. Davis said his great-great-grandfather was Jefferson Davis's first cousin.

"I have been more and more concerned that the symbols of the Confederacy and our ancestors are being totally annihilated by people such as the KKK," Davis said. "When I was notified they were going to be rallying and marching in Biloxi, which is kind of a hallowed place for Jefferson Davis, I said it's time for us to draw a line in the sand and take back our symbols - not in a belligerent way, but in a very civil way - from besmirching the names of our ancestors and to separate the true descendants from the Confederacy from this bunch of rabble-rousers and racists."

Davis is commander of the President Jefferson Davis Chapter of the Military Order of the Stars and Bars and a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, 27th Georgia Regiment, he said.

But John French, a spokesman for the local regiment of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, said its members will sit out any counterdemonstration.

"Regardless of what your signs say, you're part of the problem," French said. "You lend credence to those things. The best way to keep people like (the Klan) away is to ignore them."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: confederate; flag; jeffdavis; klan; reenactors; southern
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To: WhiskeyPapa
The "so-called CSA"? Sorry, I don't get your point. What else would you call it? Even if you consider them outlaws and traitors, or rebels, would you say the so-called IRA, or the so-called Mafia, or the so-called Mau Mau, or whatever?
61 posted on 11/14/2002 7:40:41 AM PST by docmcb
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To: docmcb
The "so-called CSA"? Sorry, I don't get your point. What else would you call it?

What President Lincoln called it -- "the insurgent area".

Walt

62 posted on 11/14/2002 7:41:49 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: stainlessbanner
the klan is now and has always been a TOOL of the damnyankees.

their presence in any southron state, carrying any symbol of our hero-martyrs makes me GAG!

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63 posted on 11/14/2002 8:00:22 AM PST by stand watie
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To: WhiskeyPapa
MORE tripe from FR's premier scalawag.

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64 posted on 11/14/2002 8:01:15 AM PST by stand watie
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To: Dutch-Comfort
you win the PINK POPSICLE award for today's most STUPID post.

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65 posted on 11/14/2002 8:04:43 AM PST by stand watie
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To: varina davis
dear lady,

walt is not smart enough to KNOW it's a fable. he got a lobotomy while in the marines.

free dixie NOW,sw

66 posted on 11/14/2002 8:06:57 AM PST by stand watie
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To: stand watie
the klan is now and has always been a TOOL of the damnyankees.

N.B. Forrest as dupe of the Yankees?

Walt

67 posted on 11/14/2002 8:16:00 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: stand watie
he got a lobotomy while in the marines.

All Marines do that.

Walt

68 posted on 11/14/2002 8:16:35 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: WhiskeyPapa
"The insurgent area"? Please, that strikes me as just silly. I understand that Lincoln didn't want to confer legitimacy on the Confederacy by using its name -- but what reason do you have for following that practice now, more than a century after the fact? Are you afraid the South might win after all? No matter what we say today, Lee still surrendered. Sometimes being too much an interested party to a controversy interferes with understanding the controversy.
69 posted on 11/14/2002 8:19:31 AM PST by docmcb
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To: WhiskeyPapa
the modern klan has NOTHING to do with 'ole nate's group, other than they stole the name & and are trying to steal our sacred southron symbols. thanks, to the federal court's STUPIDITY, they just may suceed at that!

free dixie,sw

70 posted on 11/14/2002 8:35:29 AM PST by stand watie
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To: docmcb
That doesn't cut it. You said since the 1920's. Nobody is denying that the Klan had a strong presence North and South in the 1920's. But where is the Klan presence today? Not in Kansas. Go back to your search and find out how many hits you get for Klan chapters in Texas, in Mississippi, in Alabama and Tennessee and Georgia. Then tell me how many you get for Kansas.
71 posted on 11/14/2002 9:04:24 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
"That doesn't cut it. You said since the 1920's. Nobody is denying that the Klan had a strong presence North and South in the 1920's. But where is the Klan presence today? Not in Kansas. Go back to your search and find out how many hits you get for Klan chapters in Texas, in Mississippi, in Alabama and Tennessee and Georgia. Then tell me how many you get for Kansas."

We are missing each other's point, I think. I don't believe the Klan is important or powerful anywhere today, thankfully. I have no idea whether there are more Klansmen per capita in Kansas or Alabama, and frankly don't give a damn. But this thread began with a story that the SCV opposes the Klan, and particularly the Klan's misappropriation of Confederate symbols. My point about Kansas is simply that the modern (20th century) Klan was not, and for all I know is not today, confined to the South. So suggesting, as some on this thread seem to be doing, that the SCV is somehow co-existant with the Klan is simply wrong.

72 posted on 11/14/2002 9:20:36 AM PST by docmcb
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To: WhiskeyPapa
my housemate & retired master gunnery sergeant certainly does NOT fit that mold.

and he's even northernborn (IN), but decided NOT a damnyankee.

free dixie,sw

73 posted on 11/14/2002 9:52:18 AM PST by stand watie
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To: stand watie
my housemate & retired master gunnery sergeant certainly does NOT fit that mold.

I'm sure ya'll make a cute couple.

Was he implicated in that KKK cell they exposed at MCAS New River back in the '70's?

Walt

74 posted on 11/14/2002 10:17:28 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: stand watie
the modern klan has NOTHING to do with 'ole nate's group...

You said "always", fuzzy brain.

Walt

75 posted on 11/14/2002 10:18:45 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: WhiskeyPapa
YET another really stupid comment. don't you get tired of people laughing AT you?

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76 posted on 11/14/2002 10:23:04 AM PST by stand watie
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To: WhiskeyPapa
better fuzzy than NONE, as is your situation.

are you REALLY that stupid?

free dixie,sw

77 posted on 11/14/2002 10:24:53 AM PST by stand watie
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To: Non-Sequitur; docmcb
But where is the Klan presence today? Not in Kansas.

You're right N-S. The strongest arm of the Klan is located in PA.

78 posted on 11/14/2002 10:25:13 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: docmcb
"The insurgent area"? Please, that strikes me as just silly. I understand that Lincoln didn't want to confer legitimacy on the Confederacy by using its name -- but what reason do you have for following that practice now, more than a century after the fact?

It's not silly. The so-called CSA was not able to maintain its territorial integrity for a single day. You can declare -your- independence and do better than that.

Secondly, despite the conventional wisdom, the rebel effort was very lame. It had almost no significant success outside northern Virginia. Think about it: With the exception of Chickamauga, rebel arms had almost no success except right around Richmond. Grant's advance into central Tennessee early in 1862 was never seriously checked until Shermaan brought it home at Savannah, Charleston and Columbia.

Rebel arms --including the Army of Northern Virginia --had as little success outside rebel territory as some Union commanders had in it. Put another way, Lee had as much success outside Virginia as Pope, Hooker and Burnside had within it.

The "insurgent area" was 10% larger than the loyal area. The loyal states had a 3:2 ratio in manpower. Military threory holds that it takes 3 attackers to dislodge one defender. On paper, the rebels couldn't lose. But they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

Walt

79 posted on 11/14/2002 10:28:48 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: stand watie
YET another really stupid comment. don't you get tired of people laughing AT you?

You said, "always", FB.

Walt

80 posted on 11/14/2002 10:30:00 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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