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Libertarians are big time spoilers in Gov races
ma-firearms@world.std.com ^ | 11/6/02 | Ioffe

Posted on 11/08/2002 8:35:05 AM PST by pabianice

* means NRA endorsment. Grade is the NRA grade.

Alabama:

*(D) Siegelman 674,052 A+

(R) Riley 670,913 A

(L) Sophocleus 23,242

Oregon:

(D) Kulongoski 493,385 C+

(R) Mannix 490,745 A

(L) Cox 47,444

Wisconsin:

(D) Doyle 800,958 F

*(R) McCallum 732,781 A

(L) Thompson 185,085

Wyoming:

(D) Freudenthal 89,407 A-

*(R) Bebout 85,556 A+

(L) Dawson 3,800

Not to mention that Thune will probably lose South Dakota Senate seat by a smaller margin that the Libertarian in that race got...

(D) Johnson 167,481 C+

*(R) Thune 166,954 A

(L) Evans 3,071

So basically Libertarians brought 2 anti-gun governors, and possibly kept Daschle's clone in power. My question is why Libertarians run against good pro-gun candidates? I realize that there are other issues besides guns. Meanwhile people of Wisconsin have to wait another 4 years for gun licenses...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: johnthune; kurtevans; libertarian; timjohnson
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To: porte des morts
If every vote for a Libertarian came from the republican voters as you claim, explain were the other 220,000 prior republican voters went?

1998 WI Gubernatorial
2002 WI Gubernatorial
Tommy Thompson (R)
1,055,434
732,796
Scott McCallum (R)
Edward Garvey (D)
681,734
800,971
Jim Doyle (D)
Jim Mueller (L)
11,010
185,085
Ed Thompson (L)
All Other Third Party
17,190
52,161
All Other Third Party
Total Votes
1,765,368
1,771,013
Total Votes

This table tells a story, given that the total number of votes cast for Governor remained almost the same - in other words, the same people that voted in 1998 also voted in 2002.

This table also shows how the votes shifted.

The number of Republican votes dropped by 322,638.

The number of Democrat votes increased by 119,237, but the number of Libertarian votes increased by 174,075, for a total of 293,312 - not too far off the number of Republican votes dropped.

There's the shift. That's where Doyle's and Ed Thompson's votes came from - they came from McCallum, just like I said. And had those Ed Thompson voters voted for McCallum, instead of on an equally uncharismatic candidate who was destined to loose, we wouldn't be facing four years of Doyle.

281 posted on 11/11/2002 10:07:00 AM PST by Monitor
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To: angelo
Thank you for addressing my real point instead of some figment of your imagination.

I addressed how Doyle can kill off those programs by defunding them, way back in reply 212.

282 posted on 11/11/2002 10:09:50 AM PST by Monitor
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To: Monitor
I addressed how Doyle can kill off those programs by defunding them, way back in reply 212.

That's nice. I made my reply #220 in response to your post #173.

283 posted on 11/11/2002 10:53:09 AM PST by malakhi
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To: Monitor
The number of Republican votes dropped by 322,638.

And I still contend, no matter how you want to analyze it, the people you should be angry with is the state GOP. The votes were there 4 years ago. McCallum has been in office for 2 years.What happened? You can not possibly think the LP gained that much strength in 2 years.

The GOP of WI blew it big time.

On another note; you asked before about what big mistake McCallum made. Most of the LP votes came from northern WI counties, IIRC. The indian gaming problem IS a big issue in the smaller communities. Hundreds of thousands of dollars are lost by people travelling hours from their homes to go gamble. Yet a small business that wants to have elctronic games of chance is told they can not have the machines on their property. Not told that gambling is illegal, and if you're caught you will be arrested or fined. You can not own the machines in your business. It does not matter if you pay out cash to winners at all, you are not allowed to display a game that the state deems is against its better interest. Most of these small business men know they cannot fight the state and the large money the indians can toss at the problem, so they are left to watch potential customers drive down the road to spend they're cash.The state of WI waited until Tommy Thompson was gone (Ed Thompson fought this very issue as you know), to stomp on the small business groups.(almost all of which are family owned taverns and resturants.)McCallums made no friends with that move.

284 posted on 11/11/2002 1:02:01 PM PST by porte des morts
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To: Britton J Wingfield
Libertarians espouse free pot, free booze, free sex, etc

I have never tried the pot. I've paid for all the booze and sex I've ever had (and am still paying even though the sex has tapered off quite a bit).

285 posted on 12/19/2007 6:56:09 AM PST by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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