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To: Cicero
Evolution really can't be "quantified" either.

Evolution is defined as change in allele frequency over time. That's quantified and measurable.

ID and general evolution are both hypotheses, but if you actually look at the literature, the former is much likelier than the latter.

LOL, I'd love to see how you quantify that likelihood.

15 posted on 11/07/2002 8:04:04 PM PST by Physicist
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To: Physicist
Evolution is defined as change in allele frequency over time. That's quantified and measurable.

You say this, and this is the common definition from "scientists", but who is more likely to know the truth about the definition of evolution? People who claim to study it, or creationists who claim that it's all false and repeatedly demonstrate their total ignorance of the information available?

Basically, I have explained this definition before to creationists, and I've provided documentation for this definition. They choose to ignore it, because it does not fit their agenda. Gore3000 even took a statement of mine out of context by ignoring the definition that I gave so that he could dishonestly pretend that I said something else.
146 posted on 11/08/2002 11:14:48 AM PST by Dimensio
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To: Physicist
Evolution is defined as change in allele frequency over time. That's quantified and measurable.

That's the TalkOrigins dishonest definition of evolution. The real definition of evolution is that species descend from less complex species. That all organisms eventually have a bacteria or some other single celled organism as their ancestor. Now if you want to say that all that evolution means is that the children share the genes of one of the parents, which is all that your sentence above means, then that is fine, but that is not what we are talking about here, that is not what the article is speaking about and that is not what Darwin was talking about when he said:

"It is interesting to contemplate an entangled bank, clothed with many plants of many kinds, with birds singing on the bushes, with various insects flitting about, and with worms crawling through the damp earth, and to reflect that these elaborately constructed forms, so different from each other, and dependent on each other in so complex a manner, have all been produced by laws acting around us. These laws, taken in the largest sense, being Growth with Reproduction; Inheritance which is almost implied by reproduction; Variability from the indirect and direct action of the external conditions of life, and from use and disuse;. a Ratio of Increase so high as to lead to a Struggle for Life, and as a consequence to Natural Selection, entailing Divergence of Character and the Extinction of less-improved forms. Thus, from the war of nature, from famine and death, the most exalted object which we are capable of conceiving, namely, the production of the higher animals, directly follows evolution."
From: Charles Darwin, "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life"

289 posted on 11/08/2002 9:03:49 PM PST by gore3000
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To: Physicist
The fact that change takes place is not in dispute. The reason for that change, is.
1,427 posted on 11/19/2002 1:39:27 PM PST by foghornleghorn
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