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We must not underestimate this woman, and her domination & control of the Democratic party. If she wants the nomination, she'll get it.

It's vital that we are prepared for the eventuality of her '08 candidacy. Hillary will use the next 6 years to quietly move more towards the center, and improve her image.

We can't count on NY voters to dump her in 2006. But nationally, we must continue to educate people on her cold-blooded pursuit of power, which began decades ago. Great sources are No One Left to Lie To by Christopher Hitchens, and The case against Hillary Clinton by Peggy Noonan.

Knowledge is power!

1 posted on 11/07/2002 7:57:27 AM PST by gonewt
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To: gonewt
Hillary will use the next 6 years to quietly move more towards the center, and improve her image.

Improving her image is going to take a lot longer than six years.


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2 posted on 11/07/2002 8:00:42 AM PST by mikeb704
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To: gonewt
Hillary will use the next 6 years to quietly move
more towards the center, and improve her image.

She will take on an air of less stridency.
Note the calm demeanor.


5 posted on 11/07/2002 8:07:50 AM PST by Slyfox
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To: gonewt
... 'We need a candidate who can, without compromising the essence of who we are, reach across the values divide ...
Translation: We need a candidate who won't compromise our principles but who can somehow ensure that the Republicans will compromise their principles.
6 posted on 11/07/2002 8:08:11 AM PST by Asclepius
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To: gonewt
Source Says Hillary Doesn't Think She Could Win In 2004

She's going to have problems running against Pataki in '06, making her run in '08 moot.

This will be after Rudy boots Chuckie out in '04 on President Bush's coattails.

8 posted on 11/07/2002 8:10:22 AM PST by paul in cape
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To: gonewt
My biggest fear is Russ Feingold (Rat-WI). Watch for the DNC to quietly push him into becoming the 2004 candidate of their choice.
9 posted on 11/07/2002 8:10:32 AM PST by ServesURight
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To: gonewt
She is not immune in 2006.

(1) Black voters came out for her in droves in 2000. Black voters will now be less than fired up about her. Many black voters feel that she sabotaged Carl McCall's gubernatorial race. Her Clinton administration crony Andrew Cuomo spent months dragging McCall through the mud before dropping out of the Democratic primary. Then her other Clinton administration crony Terry McAuliffe refused to help McCall and spent big on McAuliffe's white friend Bill McBride in Florida, who was trounced almost as solidly as McCall was.

(2) She was being sent as a Democrat to a Democrat-controlled Senate. If the Republican party still controls the Senate in 2006, the case can be made to independents and some Democrats that NY needs a moderate Republican in Washington to further the state's interests.

(3) She was elected before 9/11. Pataki won statewide mostly because he was perceived as having responded correctly to 9/11. Clinton's obstructionism on homeland security will come back to haunt her.

If the right Republican can be found, she will prove to be vulnerable in ways she wasn't in 2000.

10 posted on 11/07/2002 8:11:34 AM PST by wideawake
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To: gonewt
Read "Marc Tucker to Hillary Clinton" (just type it in your address line) and see what is happening to the public schools in this country, as well as what working adults will have to live with for the rest of their lives.

12 posted on 11/07/2002 8:16:57 AM PST by ladylib
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To: gonewt
I expect she'll run in '04. The sooner she runs the more she can bask in the aura of The Clinton Administration - which (while it makes us retch) generates all kinds of warm fuzzies for her supporters. The longer she takes to run the more that aura fades and the more she'll have to run on her own merits as a legislator, which are practically nil. If she doesn't run ASAP, she'll fade and other real politicians (whether we like them or not) will step in.

Don't underestimate the political situation either: in '04, she will have the rare opportunity to run against Republican-dominated gov't. Despite any success Bush may have in the next 2 years, those opposing Bush will become energized to run against Bush's failures AND successes, and few will be able to whip the opposition into a frenzy like Hillary (precisely because she is all symbolism and no substance).

She may not win in '04, but by trying she'll move into position for an '08 run. Her time is limited, and she must run ASAP. She'll try like he11 to run in '04.
13 posted on 11/07/2002 8:18:56 AM PST by ctdonath2
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Before 9/11 Bush's presidency was floundering and Hillary was a shoo-in for 2004. The military and terrorist situation coaleased people around Bush. If the military and terrorist situation continues, Hillary is out of the box for 2004. If it is resolved, Bush's popularity will plummet in the same way as did his father's and for the same reasons and more. At that point Hillary will take the presidency. If it is not resolved she will let a stooge take the fall instead of her in 2004 and wait for 2008. A lot of things can happen between now and 2004. A lot of things can happen between now and 2008.

That she is the most powerful force in, and owns, the Democratic party should not be doubted. She also has full support of the media. But she doesn't have control over quirks of history.

14 posted on 11/07/2002 8:20:38 AM PST by RLK
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Sorry Hil - can you say: "President Condi Rice" ?????
16 posted on 11/07/2002 8:22:59 AM PST by PLK
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My view is that she had Wellstone murdered so there would be no one to her left for the 2008 presidential election. She can fake centrist position and hide her anti-American, one world beliefs by simply lying and there will be no one (on the commie side) to stop her.

Vulnerable in 2006? You are dreaming. Look what she and the NY lefties did to McCall, the first black candidate ever for NY governor. They protected Cuomo (sure he is a loser, but he is not a "loser") and let McCall twist in the wind. They refused to fund him. The Hillie fund raisers for McCall funneled cash THROUGH her organization and not directly to McCall. He wound up getting nothing. Have you heard from Sharpton, Rangle, or any of the other black thugs from NYC? Damn right, you haven't! They are the house Afro-Americans that look at their shoes and say "yes, massa" when Willie or Hille or their enforcers speak.

This is fine for Hillie. It will allow her to focus on things she opposes that Bush does. And, with lying, no internal opposition, continued dem corruption and thievery, and further financial support from foreigners, she could be a problem in 2008.

24 posted on 11/07/2002 8:52:49 AM PST by Tacis
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To: gonewt
Since 9/11 haven't the American people suffered enough?
25 posted on 11/07/2002 8:57:59 AM PST by Republicus2001
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...we must continue to educate people on her cold-blooded pursuit of power, which began decades ago. Great sources are No One Left to Lie To by Christopher Hitchens, and The case against Hillary Clinton by Peggy Noonan.

Also, check out the book Rules for Radicals: A Practical Primer for Realistic Radicals written by her mentor Saul Alinsky.

26 posted on 11/07/2002 9:03:41 AM PST by MrConfettiMan
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Hillary would not have a snowball's chance IMO. Women do not respect her and this week's election indicates that the Clintons are generally out of style. Men would vote in droves against her as well. Personally, I hope she gets the nod in 2008.

Unfortunatley, as much as I like and respect Condi, neither do I think she can win the big job unless the political environment changes a lot by 2008. I honestly don't think the country is going to elect a female prez anytime in the near future. I think it would be a very dangerous proposition for the Pubs. It's not like NOW will support her and I don't think "moderate" women will vote for her just because she is a woman. In fact, they might vote against her because she is a woman. Look at Liddy Dole. She is a well spoken moderate female and has limited support nationally. Coni's minority status will not gain her a significant portion of the minority vote either IMO. Look at how the Rats treat Justice Thomas, Colin Powell, JC Watts, and even Condi herself. Jesse Jackson will be the first to call her a traitor to blacks, unless Belafonte beats him to it.

Feel free to disagree, I just call it like I see it.

27 posted on 11/07/2002 9:11:06 AM PST by txjeep
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To: gonewt
But I thought that "we" were already president for eight years.


29 posted on 11/07/2002 9:26:44 AM PST by rwjst4
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To: gonewt
In 2008, Hillary will be OLD and MEAN. No thank you.
30 posted on 11/07/2002 9:27:12 AM PST by smiley
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To: gonewt
SCRAPE THE BOTTOM--VOTE FOR RODHAM !!HA HA
40 posted on 11/07/2002 9:46:42 AM PST by timestax
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In opinion polls, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York has placed second only to Mr. Gore as the candidate whom Democrats would most support for president, the NEW YORK TIMES and Katharine Seelye reported on Thursday.

Music to my ears. If these two socialist bozos are the best the 'Rats have to offer, get ready for a long string of Republican administrations. My concern however is that they will come to their senses and move to the middle, putting somebody like John Kerry or John Edwards up for the nomination. Those two will be tougher to beat.

46 posted on 11/07/2002 10:12:39 AM PST by SamAdams76
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Hi gonewt! Somehow I just can't see the Clintons waiting until 2008. Have you noticed how Bill has not been seen since the election? I imagine Bill and Hill are "licking their political wounds"; but they still own the Democrat apparatus lock, stock, and barrel; so they will likely find a way to "live for another day."

Moreover, I doubt that McAuliffe -- Clinton's loyal (i.e., bought and paid-for) lieutenant -- will be removed from his position as party chairman. (He could yet show up at Fort Marcy park sometime soon, of course. But to me, this probably won't happen.)

I don't think it's too strong to say that this cabal runs the party for the personal political interests of the Clintons. So, once the shock of last Tuesday wears off a bit, I imagine they'll be back in high gear, scheming and planning to get back in the game -- in 2004 -- unless the Dems come to their senses and flat-out repudiate and eject these two.

But the Clintons are such powerful fund raisers, it's hard to see how that could happen. Hill may have negatives; but I doubt Bill is patient enough to wait until 2008 to get back into the big-time game -- that is, the White House.

He's a gambler; and don't forget, he's the self-described "comeback kid."

So stay tuned. JMHO FWIW.

49 posted on 11/07/2002 11:33:50 AM PST by betty boop
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To: gonewt
we must continue to educate people on her cold-blooded pursuit of power

Or better yet, continue to try putting her in jail where she belongs.

56 posted on 11/07/2002 12:48:23 PM PST by EggsAckley
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