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I believe that would be the tank commander not the driver, I'll poke around.

And here you go jockeying for position. Now you're bringing up security. Of course your "point" is still lacking. Here's everything you need to know about a worm: where to get and how to install the patch that stops it. Nice redefine on "understand", here's everything you need to "know" about Windows to defrag the drives and dump the temp folder: how to run system agent to schedule tasks. Luckily for most sysagent defaults to starting and being on the task tray with most of these kinds of tasks pre-included and configured to run during obscene hours of the morning. I've never said the admin should know "nothing" I said the admin doesn't need to know the nitty gritty details of how the OS interfaces with the hardware.

Gosh you really don't know what in the hell you're talking about. The MSCE exam for NT includes in depth questions on how the various network protocols work and how to configure them and what the advantages and disadvantages of each are. That's good admin. What they don't get into is how the OS talks to the protocol because nobody cares. I'm betting you couldn't come close to passing an MSCE, it's a nasty exam.

You are suck a typical ABMer. You clearly don't know a damn thing about MS or Windows but you'll blather on and on about how "ignorant" MS users are, you probably couldn't even format a floppy under Windows.

Now if you want to turn this into serious debate I welcome it. But if you're just going to fluff your own ego and inslut people you know absolutely nothing about, go back to slash-dot.

[Havoc]

Sorry, don't have an ego to fluff. Just having a real world conversation. You're the one getting defensive.

And I ain't jockeying position. Just giving some examples that make sense to the argument. So I'll give you a real world example.

You're a sys admin in a small company. One of your machines is loosing performance. Network communication is slow to and from it. You have mid to high level traffic accross the router that links you to the internet. Mouse movement is erratic. And the resource meter is all over the board. Tell me mr. Admin. What's causing it?

That is a real world example. If you know computers as an admin, knowing the computer will be the difference between well used vs wasted resources. And this is not a trick scenario. Admins fill different niches depending on company need and size. Microsoft didn't define what an admin is - it has tried to redefine it; but, that isn't the same thing.