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And you can go postal and shoot up the local mall and kill a dozen people.

So you would not be opposed to passing a law making it legal for someone to do that, because it is unlikely they would actually do it? To suggest that the a government bureaucracy be given the power to do something as equally repulsive, with the only justification for delegation of that power being that they 'probably won't use it' is the height of foolishness.

If the HHS declared the poverty level was anywhere near $150,000 is would be a completely obvious fraud.

Again, that is irrelevant, since there is no mechanism to prevent them from doing so. To suggest that it is a "fraud" would do no more to prevent its implementation than insisting that secretary Bensen's classification of some semi-auto 12 gauge shotguns was a "fraud" and illegal under the 2nd amendment. History, including recent history, is full of various government agencies making declarations that are obviously nonsensical and unconstitutional, yet the results of those declarations remain in effect. Public opinion of what is a "fraud" is no limit on the power of an unelected bureaucracy that is insulated from the effects of public opinion.

You still refuse to admit that giving government handouts to every household in the U.S. is socialism, which it quite clearly is. Even worse, you advocate a system which empowers an unelected bureaucracy with the ability to arbitrarily determine the amount of that handout. When this obvious flaw in the system is pointed out, you insist that the fatal flaw will never be exploited because doing so would be a "fraud", even when that very same agency has a history of adopting, for political purposes, equally "flawed" values for the exact same arbitrary number.

So you would not be opposed to passing a law making it legal for someone to do that, because it is unlikely they would actually do it?

There is already a law prohibiting any person form going postal. Similar could be done for the HHS to ensure honest calculation of the poverty level. No law can guarantee any random person out of a quarter billion people won't go postal. A law prohibiting the commissioner at the HHS from putting out a dishonest poverty level $number is far far easier to "guarantee" that he abides by the law than a random person from a quarter billion people going postal. But you'd never think rationally that far ahead. But you do think irrationally far ahead to proclaim your tin-foil-hat assertion that: "They [HHS] can simply say the poverty level is $150,000." Despite it being a completely obvious fraud if HHS did that, and there would be a law prohibiting the HHS commissioner from putting out a dishonest poverty level $number in the first place. Your words show that dishonesty knows no bounds and the need for such a law.

You still refuse

I didn't refuse I simply ignore your false assertion.

Zon: You demonstrated your intent to deceive the reader. Thus rendering yourself not to be trusted or respected because you disrespect the reader. You probably think you can mislead and try to deceive the reader and that they should just comply with you and answer your questions or take you seriously. You deserve no person's attention in a discussion. Scorn. That's what you deserve. 936

Technogeeb: Your lies and personal attacks do nothing to refute the clear flaws in the system you are advocating. Government handouts to every household in the United States (the "prebate" mechanism) is socialism. To claim that it is otherwise is a lie. And since that system allows an unelected bureaucrat to determine the value of those handouts (with no additional action by Congress once the system is enacted), the only thing preventing it from becoming pure communism is the goodwill of the bureaucrats. 939

Your comments are on record; I'm glad to let the reader juxtaposition our comments.

If the HHS declared the poverty level was anywhere near $150,000 is would be a completely obvious fraud.

Again, that is irrelevant, since there is no mechanism to prevent them from doing so.

Not true, such officers and government are subject to both civil action from private citizens harmed and criminal penalty for submitting false documents and reports:

To mention two statutes which touch upon the subject of malfeasance and fraud of officials:

Title 28 United States Code Sec. 1346. - United States as defendant (b)(1)

Subject to the provisions of chapter 171 of this title, the district courts, together with the United States District Court for the District of the Canal Zone and the District Court of the Virgin Islands, shall have exclusive jurisdiction of civil actions on claims against the United States, for money damages, accruing on and after January 1, 1945, for injury or loss of property, or personal injury or death caused by the negligent or wrongful act or omission of any employee of the Government while acting within the scope of his office or employment, under circumstances where the United States, if a private person, would be liable to the claimant in accordance with the law of the place where the act or omission occurred.

Title 18 United States Code Section 2073

False entries and reports of moneys or securities


      Whoever, being an officer, clerk, agent, or other employee of the
    United States or any of its agencies, charged with the duty of
    keeping accounts or records of any kind, with intent to deceive,
    mislead, injure, or defraud, makes in any such account or record
    any false or fictitious entry or record of any matter relating to
    or connected with his duties; or
      Whoever, being an officer, clerk, agent, or other employee of the
    United States or any of its agencies, charged with the duty of
    receiving, holding, or paying over moneys or securities to, for, or
    on behalf of the United States, or of receiving or holding in trust
    for any person any moneys or securities, with like intent, makes a
    false report of such moneys or securities -
      Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten
    years, or both.