[Zon]

Zon: You, with your tin-foil hat assert: "They [HHS] can simply say the poverty level is $150,000." 943

It isn't a tin-foil hat assertion when they really can do that, and the current system would allow them to do just that.

And you can go postal and shoot up the local mall and kill a dozen people. If the HHS declared the poverty level was anywhere near $150,000 is would be a completely obvious fraud.

Zon: You demonstrated your intent to deceive the reader. Thus rendering yourself not to be trusted or respected because you disrespect the reader. You probably think you can mislead and try to deceive the reader and that they should just comply with you and answer your questions or take you seriously. You deserve no person's attention in a discussion. Scorn. That's what you deserve. 936

Technogeeb: Your lies and personal attacks do nothing to refute the clear flaws in the system you are advocating. Government handouts to every household in the United States (the "prebate" mechanism) is socialism. To claim that it is otherwise is a lie. And since that system allows an unelected bureaucrat to determine the value of those handouts (with no additional action by Congress once the system is enacted), the only thing preventing it from becoming pure communism is the goodwill of the bureaucrats. 939

Your comments are on record; I'm glad to let the reader juxtaposition our comments.

[Technogeeb]

And you can go postal and shoot up the local mall and kill a dozen people.

So you would not be opposed to passing a law making it legal for someone to do that, because it is unlikely they would actually do it? To suggest that the a government bureaucracy be given the power to do something as equally repulsive, with the only justification for delegation of that power being that they 'probably won't use it' is the height of foolishness.

If the HHS declared the poverty level was anywhere near $150,000 is would be a completely obvious fraud.

Again, that is irrelevant, since there is no mechanism to prevent them from doing so. To suggest that it is a "fraud" would do no more to prevent its implementation than insisting that secretary Bensen's classification of some semi-auto 12 gauge shotguns was a "fraud" and illegal under the 2nd amendment. History, including recent history, is full of various government agencies making declarations that are obviously nonsensical and unconstitutional, yet the results of those declarations remain in effect. Public opinion of what is a "fraud" is no limit on the power of an unelected bureaucracy that is insulated from the effects of public opinion.

You still refuse to admit that giving government handouts to every household in the U.S. is socialism, which it quite clearly is. Even worse, you advocate a system which empowers an unelected bureaucracy with the ability to arbitrarily determine the amount of that handout. When this obvious flaw in the system is pointed out, you insist that the fatal flaw will never be exploited because doing so would be a "fraud", even when that very same agency has a history of adopting, for political purposes, equally "flawed" values for the exact same arbitrary number.