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FBI Agents 'Miffed' that Gun Owner Contacted Media
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 11/05/02 | Jeff Johnson

Posted on 11/05/2002 3:31:42 AM PST by kattracks

Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - Prior to the capture of "Beltway Sniper" suspects John Allen Muhammad and John Lee Malvo, an unconfirmed number of Maryland gun owners received surprise visits from the FBI as part of the investigation. One such gun owner had a surprise of his own for the agents when they arrived at his home.

Jeff Brown of Gaithersburg, Md., was "a little nervous" when he heard the voicemail message from an FBI agent on the sniper task force who wanted to "visit" Brown at his home to check a .223 caliber semi-automatic rifle Brown purchased in 1993. Adding to that apprehension was the fact that Brown owns and drives a full-sized white panel van, the type of vehicle investigators believed the sniper was driving.

"I expected, actually, to be pulled over and spread-eagle on the street at some point," Brown told CNSNews.com Monday. "When he called, I knew their database had had a double hit. A white van and a .223 rifle? I knew they were coming."

In a subsequent telephone conversation, Metzger reportedly told Brown that agents merely wanted to verify the serial number of the rifle and confirm that it was, in fact, still physically in Brown's possession. The two scheduled an appointment to accomplish those goals.

But Brown later learned that the agents had tried at least once to make an unannounced visit, and only called because they were unable to catch him at home.

"Once I told some of my friends in the pro-gun community what was happening, they began to relate some stories to me about guys having their guns confiscated, for so-called 'ballistic fingerprinting,' and not getting their guns back," Brown explained. "I became alarmed."

Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, said the attitude of the federal agents comes as a result of "years of accepting gun control as somehow useful for solving crimes."

"The [Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms] went to the stores and got the lists of gun owners that had something that could fire a .223. But, it didn't solve the crime," Pratt noted. "The only reason we find that gun registration is 'useful' is for confiscation."

FBI Agents 'Were Not Happy'

Brown's apprehension prompted him to contact an attorney, who instructed him on preparing for the visit. So, when FBI Special Agent Greg Metzger and his partner arrived at Brown's home for their scheduled meeting, they were greeted by Brown and his wife, Mary, along with reporters and photographers from various media outlets.

As Brown described the situation, the agents were "a little bit miffed."

"They were not happy," he observed. "They just were not interested in being around any cameras."

The agents asked Brown to step outside the home, away from the television crew, to talk.

"Can we, uh ... come here," one of the agents said to Brown. Obliging, Brown stepped away from the door to speak with the agents, but still within view of the camera.

Brown began recapping the agreement he had made with Special Agent Metzger. But when one of the agents realized Brown was wearing a wireless microphone, he stopped the conversation short.

"Do you have a microphone on?" the agent asked as he reached toward the microphone clipped to Brown's shirt. Brown backed away and continued talking, but the agent interrupted him again.

"Can you do me a favor?" the agent asked. "Can you take the apparatus off that you have on? I'd like to speak to you privately."

Brown complied, but only after summoning his wife to serve as a witness to the conversation with the agents. Out of the camera's view, and believing they could not be heard, the agents challenged Brown about the presence of the media.

"They were belligerent, at that point, with me. They weren't threatening me or pushing me around or touching me or anything like that, but their mannerisms and attitude quickly became offended and belligerent," Brown recalled. "I was thinking to myself, 'See, this is what I was afraid would happen if you guys came into my house, especially if I was alone.'"

'Don't You Know People Are Dying?'

Parts of the conversation picked up by the camera's long-range microphone confirm Brown's account of what happened next.

"Why didn't you give us a chance to do what we said we were going to do instead of ambushing us with the media? Why didn't you trust us?" one agent asked.

Brown said it was not so much the words the agents used, as their attitude and body language that made him uncomfortable.

"There was some lecturing about it," he said recalling one comment that did unnerve him.

"One thing they said was, 'Don't you know people are dying and we're just trying to do our job?'" Brown recalled, "Of course, the inference was that I didn't care that there were people dying and I was trying to interfere with them doing their job."

During that conversation, the agents reportedly admitted that they had seized other rifles, allegedly with permission, to compare them to the ballistic evidence gathered from the crime scenes.

"They said, from some people, they do 'request' to take the gun with them and do 'ballistic fingerprinting,' as they call it," Brown recalled. "I just did not want to have my gun disappear."

Pratt believes the agents "developed an attitude," because Brown challenged their attempts to violate his constitutional rights.

"The FBI is trying to put this guy on a guilt trip because he's 'not cooperating' with the system but it's a totally useless system," Pratt argued. "They just assume that gun owners [are] all a bunch of suspects just for being gun owners and they should behave accordingly."

'They Were Doing It On Purpose'

At the request of Special Agent Metzger, Brown instructed the media to stay outside his home, where they could see what was happening through a plate glass window. Brown had the unloaded weapon displayed in plain sight for the inspection.

The agents followed Brown and his wife inside and confirmed the serial number on the rifle as they had said they wanted to do. But that was not the end of the encounter.

"After they checked, they started [questioning Brown again], and that's when my wife stepped in and told them to leave," Brown said, noting that his wife formerly worked in law enforcement.

Mary Brown believed the agents were attempting to agitate her husband, hoping he would say or do something to justify their confiscation of his rifle.

"I could tell that they were doing it on purpose and I didn't like what they were doing to you," she told her husband. "So, I decided to just jump right in."

The agents left the couple's property, as they were ordered to do.

Jeff Brown does not believe the agents' reaction to the presence of the media, or their "brow-beating" tactics were justified.

"I'm not here to make them feel happy. I have to make sure my rights are not violated. I wanted to help, but this is not Nazi Germany," he explained. "I looked [Metzger] right in the eye and said ... 'I don't care whether you're upset about being ambushed by the media. I felt I needed some witnesses here with me.'"

Brown, a member of the National Rifle Association and former candidate for public office in Maryland, was also upset by what he perceived as a lack of honesty on the part of the FBI.

"[Metzger] wasn't upfront with me, and I didn't have any guilty feelings about [contacting the media]," Brown said. "They weren't truthful with me. They didn't tell me all the truth. They only told me the part they wanted to hear."

A Message to Gun Owners?

Debbie Weierman, a spokeswoman for the FBI, said the bureau would not respond to any questions about the encounter, because the probe into the multiple murders was still in progress.

"We're not going to be able to get into any kind of a dialogue with you regarding any aspect of our investigation," she said.

Pratt believes the response of the agents to the presence of the media shows that their main focus was not on finding the "Beltway Sniper," but rather on sending a message to gun owners.

"They know it's not about crime control because, if they were really interested in finding the perpetrator they would have kept moving. Obviously this guy wasn't the guy," Pratt concluded. "What it's really all about is showing that the feds are in control in a very totalitarian sense of the word."

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To: rmvh
"...help was needed ..."

Please explain how checking the serial number would help.

181 posted on 11/05/2002 3:37:50 PM PST by gatex
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To: lawdog
"...4.it was a FISHING EXPEDITION...."

I know, but the posters saying it is ok should explain it.

182 posted on 11/05/2002 3:45:28 PM PST by gatex
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To: drZ; HamiltonJay
Which side would HamiltonJay be on regarding the Naval Press Gangs? After all, we need able bodied men to man our fleets, and what good citizen would nay say the foricble taking of private citizens seamen in port hang-outs, or off of ships in port or nearby. It's just the needed and rightful thing to do, ain't it?
183 posted on 11/05/2002 3:49:07 PM PST by bvw
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To: HamiltonJay
>>Fact is, this guy created a confrontational situation where one was
not warranted or needed.<<

Who was confronting who? Riiiiiiiight...
184 posted on 11/05/2002 3:50:06 PM PST by SerpentDove
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To: OldCorps
"Why would you want to talk to an ATF agent?"

He is the next door neighbor to a relative of mine, and I sat next to him in church Sunday a week ago.

185 posted on 11/05/2002 4:11:29 PM PST by wcbtinman
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BANG!
186 posted on 11/05/2002 4:29:13 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: kattracks
Whos next?
187 posted on 11/05/2002 4:45:28 PM PST by Enemy Of The State
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To: DH
Here in Texas you must show your driver's license to purchase ammo.

At Wally World perhaps. Maybe some other places. But I've bought lots of ammunition in Texas without a driver's license check. In fact I don't recall having to show it the last time I bought some (.45ACP in fact) at WalMart, and that was only a couple of months ago, at most. I do remember reading something about WalMart requiring an ID to purchase ammunition, but I don't recall being asked for it. It was the day before the opening of dove season, and lots of folks were buying shotgun shells, and getting their licenses. I've never been dove hunting, but would love to give a whirl sometime. HINT, HINT! (I do have a shotgun, 12GA Browning BPS with 24" barrel, and interchangeable choke tubes)

188 posted on 11/05/2002 6:47:39 PM PST by El Gato
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To: DH
" We have already given up our liberty and freedoms simply because women and timid males would gladly throw away rights "

Um, not all women would gladly throw away their rights.

You should change that to "some women"
189 posted on 11/05/2002 7:00:18 PM PST by multitaskmom
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To: HamiltonJay
I don't know, personally I think this particular gun owner is quite a jerk. Immediately assumed FBI was out to get him, his actions directly caused what should have been a routine investigative stop needlessly into a confrontational scene

What planet have you been on?? Read the newspapers, not the comics. This man was right on.

190 posted on 11/05/2002 7:01:25 PM PST by zip
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To: BOBWADE
Thank you very much for this post. It is right to the point we gun owners are trying to get across to the public.
191 posted on 11/05/2002 7:03:07 PM PST by zip
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To: gatex
Please explain the purpose and value of the FBI asking for the serial number of the rifle.

Two purposes, actually:

Quite logical, really.
192 posted on 11/05/2002 8:13:18 PM PST by supercat
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To: rmvh
First, The FBI agents involved had absolutely no reason to suspect anything of this citizen. Second, The agents involved had no reason to be fearful of the press or witnesses. Third, the only statements I made stand as a guide to the FBI to understand that they need the cooperation of citizens in order to do their job effectively.

If the FBI takes the view that anyone not in the Federal Law Enforcement is a potential enemy then they have made their job impossible. Fourth, if these law enforcement agents had spent a little more time and care tracing down the actual leads they had from the multiple stops of the Caprice perhaps several citizens in the DC area would be alive.

I have had the occaision to meet several FBI special agents. Those I know share the same criticism of these agents. All these agents knew was that the individual they were interviewing had purchased a .233 cal rifle within the past ten years and that the individual in question owned a white van. Certainly had they been courteous and professional and not just gone on a fishing expedition and had there not been other reported problems with property not being returned to citizens there would not have been a problem.

In short my ciricism remains the same. Instead of being seen as a professional organization persuing assorted major criminals the FBI's image has degenerated too much and every single additional abuse damages the effectiveness of that organization.

In short do not mistake a demand for improvement in effectiveness with a hatered of the organization per se.

Let us presume that the pattern of killings had indicated that a person espousing a Liberal point of view was pssibly behind the killings. Let us presume that the murder weapon was say a hammer. Would rousting every member of the carpeter's union be considered to be a legitimate tactic? I think not.

There are any number of scenarios that one could conjure up with any number of other targets where the outrage wuld be universal. I am also incensed that local vetrans with no record whatsoever were considered high on the list by some law enforcement. Yes, even though one of the two alleged to be the sniper(s) was a US Army veteran. They were not just targeting regular army troopsd they were focusing on Special Operations veterans when there was no evidence that any shot was particularly a long range shot.

I have no objection to the FBI persuing leads and investigating and I usually will cooperate with any law enforcement but in this case were I confronted with the same request I would have stated I do NOT discuss what I might own for firearms with officers potentially targeting me in an investigation. If you wish to examine any property of mine please obtain a search warrant.

193 posted on 11/05/2002 9:12:15 PM PST by harpseal
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To: supercat
"...Quite logical, really..."

Agreed. ---But it is amusing that the serial number defenders couldn't figure it out.

194 posted on 11/05/2002 9:49:45 PM PST by gatex
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To: snopercod
There is nothing lower than the abuse of power by a law enforcement agent.

Instead of closing up the A.T.F., it seems that the the F.B.I. has become the A.T.F.

195 posted on 11/05/2002 10:38:21 PM PST by First_Salute
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To: gundog
"...Was that you that I saw at Walmart with the 'Will work for Guns' sign?..."

LOL!

It didn't work out...

The sporting goods cashier got tired of taking my wages out to my car on payday.

196 posted on 11/06/2002 3:46:02 AM PST by DWSUWF
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To: razorback-bert
My mistake Bert.....I forgot to add ya to my ping on the matter . My apologies :o) !!

Stay Safe !

197 posted on 11/06/2002 6:47:29 AM PST by Squantos
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To: kattracks
"Why didn't you trust us?" one agent asked.

Two words: Lon Horiuchi.

198 posted on 11/06/2002 6:53:28 AM PST by jejones
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To: tracer
"These laws [that suppossedly prevent one from recording one's own conversations with or without consent of other parties involved] do have teeth..."

Prove it. Show it. Don't bother quoting the law ... show the successful, standing prosecutions, fines and time -- if you can.

199 posted on 11/06/2002 7:01:33 AM PST by bvw
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To: harpseal
Re your #193....First, The FBI agents involved had absolutely no reason to suspect anything of this citizen.

And specifically what facts do you have to support your assertion?

200 posted on 11/06/2002 8:13:55 AM PST by rmvh
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