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NEW DICK MORRIS COLUMN - DOOM!!!
New York Post ^ | Nov 4, 2002 | Dick Morris

Posted on 11/04/2002 4:39:48 AM PST by publius1

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:10:13 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]


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To: NittanyLion
Exactly. Zogby has a solid track record; when he talks we all would do well to listen.

Just sent a private reply to somebody regarding that for fear of getting skewered, but what the heck, let me get skewered...folks...ZOGBY IS A GOOD POLLSTER. Which is why people pay a lot of money to get him to poll for them. Just because he's not giving you the numbers you want doesn't make him wrong or a whore for the Democrats. If anything, it would make him a "whore for the Republicans", because it would encourage more Pubs to get out and vote to counter his "foregone conclusion".

Of course, he can always screw up his track record this year around. :-)

--KL

41 posted on 11/04/2002 5:27:43 AM PST by Kip Lange
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To: CharacterCounts
Like most pollsters, Zogby gets it right about 50% of the time. If I were to take all the contested races and flip a coin, I would have the same chance of being right as Zogby or any other Pollster.

You a gambling man? I'll bet you wouldn't have the same chance. ;-) (But only 50% of the time! heh)

42 posted on 11/04/2002 5:29:36 AM PST by Kip Lange
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To: publius1
Pretty soon we will all have 20/20 hindsight.

My two cent bet is that the Republicans will eke out
a win and regain the Senate with vote fraud cutting
their margin very thin.
43 posted on 11/04/2002 5:31:23 AM PST by wotan
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To: Kip Lange
The tightness of the election is evident in five key states where USA TODAY measured Senate races. Four of the five are well within the polls' error margins: In Missouri, Republican former congressman Jim Talent leads Sen. Jean Carnahan 48%-44%.

In Colorado, Republican Sen. Wayne Allard leads Democrat Tom Strickland 47%-45%.

In South Dakota, GOP congressman John Thune leads Democratic Sen. Tim Johnson 48%-45%.

In New Hampshire, Republican Rep. John Sununu leads Democratic Gov. Jeanne Shaheen 46%-45%.

In Arkansas, Democrat Mark Pryor leads Republican Sen. Tim Hutchinson 51%-43%.

The state polls of 600 or more likely voters Wednesday-Saturday had error margins of +/- 4 points.

44 posted on 11/04/2002 5:32:13 AM PST by scooby321
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To: edwin hubble
Thanks for the heads up. I just posted it...
45 posted on 11/04/2002 5:33:23 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: scooby321
In Arkansas, Democrat Mark Pryor leads Republican Sen. Tim Hutchinson 51%-43%.

It bears mentioning at this point that perhaps that...um..."not leaked at all" (read: leaked like a mofo) scandal involving him employing illegal aliens may tilt the race back towards Hutchinson (reminds me a lot of when the Dems dropped the DUI incident on Bush right before the election -- although how the Bush camp could have been so dumb to think that no one would ever dig that up...is beyond me...and fodder for another debate...)

46 posted on 11/04/2002 5:36:06 AM PST by Kip Lange
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To: publius1
"They don't have any issues after Clinton cut welfare and crime."

Drinking your own bathwater, eh Toe-Sucker?

47 posted on 11/04/2002 5:38:31 AM PST by Redleg Duke
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To: CharacterCounts
True, but in the very same election he had Hillary losing to Lazio. We all know what happened there.

Yep, he did blow that one. But when he starts predicting a shift in a number of key races - nearly all toward the Dems - I start to worry. I believe his model uses a voter intensity adjustment, and he seems to have a good record of predicting turnout/intensity.

Do a search for "Zogby Bush Gore" and take a look at the threads from early November 2000. Everyone was ridiculing Zogby for his prediction of...46-46. Oops.

48 posted on 11/04/2002 5:38:51 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Kip Lange
Zogby is a good pollster. Makes mistakes, but so does everyone else.

One has to take into account knock and drags, busing voters en masse and of course, fraud. Democrats are masters at these techniques and this will again prove the difference in many of these so-called "close" races, which, in my view, were decided when McAwful and Clinton figured out how to divy up the money, effort and time.

For instance, my family hasn't received a single call on behalf of a Democrook candidate here in Manhattan. Means the AFL-CIO, who handles the phone banking, has shifted efforts elsewhere.

Also, I see that fickle bunch loosely termed "Christian conservatives" are about to behave again like the Scottish nobles in Braveheart in some of these close Senate races, such as in NH and Arkansas.

This will be a darn near thing. Remember 1998 and the slogan of the Republicans "Americas Majority Party?"

Yeah, right.
49 posted on 11/04/2002 5:39:11 AM PST by lavrenti
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To: Kip Lange
Zogby must be a good pollster. Somehow he managed to incorporate nearly a million votes I suspect were cast illegally in the 2000 election.
50 posted on 11/04/2002 5:39:25 AM PST by Quilla
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To: Kip Lange
Just because he's not giving you the numbers you want doesn't make him wrong or a whore for the Democrats.

Yep. We made that mistake back in 2000. As I suggested in my previous post, do a FR search for "Zogby Bush Gore" and read some of the early November 2000 threads. Everyone was gleefully proclaiming Zogby irrelevant because he predicted a dead even race.

51 posted on 11/04/2002 5:41:24 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Kip Lange
Okay!

According to my highly accurate, scientifically based, coin flip analysis, I predict:

S.D - Republican

N.H. - Democrat

CO - Republican.

Let's see how this compares to Zogby

52 posted on 11/04/2002 5:41:46 AM PST by CharacterCounts
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To: Thane_Banquo
Dick Morris also said the Republicans would pick up 45 seats in the House in 1998. He said Hillary would never run for the Senate. He said the Governor from Arkansas that was indicted would turn on the Clintons.
He is wrong so often it is a joke. I can't see why Fox uses him as a political guru.
53 posted on 11/04/2002 5:43:32 AM PST by Galactica
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To: Thane_Banquo
Ryan is DEFINITELY going to lose to the Dem in Illinois. Zogby was good overall last time but way off in some states (eg, CA).

I still agree that this will be a disaster for the Republicans in the Senate. Then Chafee and McCain will switch parties. I hope the Repubs hold the House (which is looking pretty good).
54 posted on 11/04/2002 5:44:20 AM PST by The Person
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To: Quilla
Yeah. The DNC, in concert with the Trilateral Commission, the Illuminati, Elvis, Robert Blake, OJ, and the Reptilian Greys fed him the info...

*whistle*

He's just a pollster trying to call races that are too close to call. :-)

--KL
55 posted on 11/04/2002 5:45:04 AM PST by Kip Lange
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To: OldFriend
POLITICAL PREDICTIONS
This looks like a fun site to bookmark for future giggles.

http://www.politicalpredictions.org/elections.htm

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And here's what Salon had to say about Dick Morris' predictions back in 2000:

"... Morris was wrong all last spring, summer and fall when he confidently declared Hillary would never enter the race for Senate. And now, over the last three weeks, he's been spectacularly wrong in predicting Giuliani's political future. The only thing to be said in his defense is that he's consistent.

Morris, of course, is President Clinton's former advisor, the triangulation-loving political guru who was tossed overboard in 1996 after a tabloid revealed Morris' affair with a prostitute. Once dubbed by Time magazine as a "gleeful genius" and "the most influential private citizen in America," Morris now fills his time dashing off a weekly New York Post column used almost exclusively to try to win small bouts of revenge against the Clinton clan.

Oh sure, from time to time Morris casts his political gaze nationally, as he did last year in cautioning readers, "It would be a serious blunder to count out Liddy Dole ... With her sterling record at the Red Cross, Elizabeth Dole could well be the first woman president." But since then, he's mostly dedicated himself to writing off Hillary's Senate chances as nonexistent.

Here's a typical 1999 dispatch, one in an endless collection of botched forecasts. Morris writes gleefully:

The fact she is planning to rent, not buy, a home here and her recent flip-flops on issues involving Israel aren't helping her either. She just looks more tawdry with each maneuver. Will she be able to reverse field and start moving up? Nope. No way she will do anything but lose votes even faster. Hillary is sinking fast. The bottom line: She won't run.

Of course, Hillary, a proud New York homeowner, now leads or is tied with Giuliani in most of the major statewide polls. (So much for Morris' supposed mastery of polling data.) And in a neat trick, Morris often doubled not only as an anti-Hillary columnist for the Post, but as an on-the-record source, too. Appearing in the pages last year as "a longtime consultant to the Clintons," Morris, who once riffed on talk radio that Hillary was a lesbian, told a Post news reporter, "I think she is going to look at these [poll] numbers, understand they aren't moving, and pull out. The first lady is on the ropes right now."

Fun stuff, huh?
But you know what? I don't think we should take Morris seriously, he just likes being contrarian. This time around, I don't think I've even heard him say he's running his own polls. In 2000 he always bragged about his focus groups, his findings. I think he's just talking outhisbutt now...and he does provide comic relief on FOX.

56 posted on 11/04/2002 6:13:52 AM PST by YaYa123
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To: Kip Lange
1. Morris has admitted he has a private deal with the clintons.
2. Morris was wrong enough times
3. He admits he is not privy to private polls but he is supposed to know something.

MY CONCLUSION is that he is acting as a spoiler to discourage republican votes. The push now is to feed voter arrogance. (borrowed from morris' comments about 1994)

IGNORE ALL TALKING HEADS. IGNORE ALL BAD/GOOD/NEUTRAL NEWS.

WE MUST VOTE
WE MUST VOTE
WE MUST VOTE
'
57 posted on 11/04/2002 6:31:43 AM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: publius1
Morris is a contra-indicator.
58 posted on 11/04/2002 6:36:11 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: publius1
Morris was, is, and always will be Clinton's butt-boy!

Believe nothing this man says about election polls.

59 posted on 11/04/2002 6:39:21 AM PST by fightu4it
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To: Thane_Banquo
Just remember Morris, for all his analysis is still a democrat who voted for Gore.... he sometimes offers good analysis, but hardly is he non partisan.
60 posted on 11/04/2002 6:42:20 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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