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Feds may unleash Six Sigma on Terrorism
USA Today ^ | 10/30/2002 | Del Jones

Posted on 11/01/2002 7:43:37 PM PST by VaBthang4

Edited on 04/13/2004 1:40:04 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

At a time when fighting the war on terrorism has become arguably the most important issue facing the USA, authorities are looking into an unlikely weapon to aid their fight: Six Sigma.

Six Sigma is nothing like a laser-guided smart bomb but rather a statistics-heavy regimen of analyzing problems that has saved corporations billions.


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To: VaBthang4
Sorry "you're"
21 posted on 11/01/2002 8:45:52 PM PST by VaBthang4
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To: VaBthang4
Six Sigma is nothing like a laser-guided smart bomb but rather a statistics-heavy regimen of analyzing problems that has saved corporations billions.

How cute. Lets fight terrorism with software.

Don't misunderstand - I work in the IT field and am familiar with 6S (at least thats how the nipple heads refer to it.) I do not use it directly - I know what it does.

No, the first steps in this war need to be border closings, large amounts of HE delivered in 500 - 1000 - 2000 lb. packages, etc.

This software may have it's place - possibly from the outset, certainly as a follow on.

Right now, this country needs to be 99.99% accurate in taking out the fanatic's - on their ground. Blow them up - on their turf.

Like my man, Gen. Patton was fond of saying, "Don't waste time doing Power Point presentations - make the enemy do Power Point presentations..." - or something to that effect.

To think that 6S is the answer is silly. A tool, yes. After the hardware has spoken. After the ground has been taken. After dictators have been removed.

LVM

22 posted on 11/01/2002 8:51:56 PM PST by LasVegasMac
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To: LasVegasMac
They had Power Point in 45'?

~Smile~

I agree with you. Six Sigma is a tool not a geeny in a bottle.
23 posted on 11/01/2002 8:55:31 PM PST by VaBthang4
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To: VaBthang4
Show me where Six Sigma has been correctly instituted and failed

Willie Green = BS Industrial Engineering + MBA (Operations Management)

I can assure you at a professional level that I understand the techniques inside and out.
Furthermore, I fully believe in the benefits obtained by properly applying the techniques, (as I said in my previous post).

My caveat is for those situations where it is heavy handedly IMPROPERLY instituted.
"Training" provided to otherwise incompetent "experts" who don't know their butt from a hole in the ground, but have been empowered with all the current buzzwords to everybody elses' fear and confusion.
It is a horiffic nightmare, a malicious plague.

24 posted on 11/01/2002 8:56:00 PM PST by Willie Green
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To: VaBthang4
This reminds me of the time I tried to fix a leaking basement from the inside. The simple solution was outside. Why let the water in!
25 posted on 11/01/2002 8:57:05 PM PST by TheLion
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To: Willie Green
I wouldnt know. I have never seen that.
26 posted on 11/01/2002 9:02:28 PM PST by VaBthang4
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To: VaBthang4
I wouldnt know. I have never seen that.

Well as you stated, you work for GE Financial Assurance.

I am certain that is an important corporate function,
and likely more complex than others may envision.
Yet, it would be my impression that the processes, methods, procedures being addressed (complex as they may be) are primarily of the "paper pushing variety".
Please correct me if my assumption is wrong, but I say that in contrast to attempting to implement the same techniques on the manufacturing shop floor where attempting to achieve a statistical quality level of less than 3.4 ppm can be horrificly expensive in terms of tooling and capital equipment improvements, depending on the nature of the component being manufactured, design tolerances, etc. etc. etc.

To an extent, it can be the same horrible internal political game that is played with hitting certain budgetary goals that "the boss" focuses on. When the emphasis is on Six-Sigma, all the wheels start cranking to show as much six-sigma "success" in the reports, whether the actual activities necessary to achieve them make sense or not. What's the old addage? "Figures lie & liars figure"???

27 posted on 11/01/2002 9:27:58 PM PST by Willie Green
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To: VaBthang4
>I work for GE Financial Assurance and all of GE lives Six Sigma. It is one of the main reasons GE is such a strong company.

Rent the movie GATTACA and observe life driven by Six Sigman concepts... where every decision, every resource, every person is totally rationalized. Experimentation, surprise and innovation are squashed out.

28 posted on 11/01/2002 10:10:20 PM PST by Dialup Llama
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To: VaBthang4
"If each of those 50 nodes passes judgment on 60 pieces of information each day, there are 300 opportunities for a decision error each day..."

Um... somebody check the math here... I think somebody slipped a sigma or three... < g >
29 posted on 11/01/2002 10:26:29 PM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast
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To: VaBthang4
>If improved to Six Sigma, accuracy is 99.99966%. That means only one of about every 294,000 pieces of vital information would be erroneously discarded.

How can someone know in advance what info is important? 6 Sigma works for manufacturing or highly regularized paper processes such as approving cookie cutter loans at GE Capital.

However can a 6 Sigma genius tell me if this information vital or not?--- 'A field agents observes there seem to be many Arabs at flight schools.' Well most Arab countries train their future pilots in the US. There have always been Arabs at flight schools. Can 6 Sigma tell me at what point does that info constitue a clue for further investigation or when should it get ignored?

30 posted on 11/01/2002 10:27:46 PM PST by Dialup Llama
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To: The Duke
>There's always another catchword that's going to save the world, the only thing that stays the same are the little lego kits they make you put together during the group grope sessions where they introduce this crap!

A flash back. Yes its always the lego kits or another one is putting the beans in the bowl thing.

31 posted on 11/01/2002 10:32:38 PM PST by Dialup Llama
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To: The Duke
>A few weeks later, as we were gathered around the design table, management put the squeeze on us to come up with an approach that would get our project completed in a very short timeframe.

The solution to that problem is easy- work smarter not harder, multitask, do parallel processing.

32 posted on 11/01/2002 10:34:13 PM PST by Dialup Llama
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To: VaBthang4
The problem with applying Six Sigma or for that matter TQM (still not sure what that is, glad there's a new buzzword has superceded it)to the government is thta there are no shareholders in Uncle Sam.

Jack Welch was ruthless-- against his competitors, against vendors, against nonperforming employees-- in a way that George W. can never be. There are so many different interet groups that have political power to protect their own little piece of the pie. The problem is almost never what changes do we need to make, but rather what lobbies do we have to appease to get even the simplest reformes through.

The most glaring example currently are government employee unions that have the Democrats in the Senate tying up the homeland security bill. However, the single most critical problem is border security.

And our problem is that the Democrats want more immigrants, legal or otherwise, because they want their votes. And Republicans want more immigrants because they like the cheap labor. Couple that with a State Department which approved visa applications for the 9/11 hijackers that on their face were fraudelent and an INS that is so sublimely incompetent that its almost a work of art--- and our whole border security system is a train wreck.

You don't need a Harvard MBA to see what the problem is and nothing is going to be done because (so far), its not in anyone's political interest to change the system.
33 posted on 11/01/2002 11:57:24 PM PST by Maximum Leader
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To: The Duke
"And before Six Sigma there was TQM"

Huh, TQM graduate I see. I was a double graduate of TQM training too, it was pretty nearly the same thing as Six Sigma. Some of the engineers put yellow stickies on their door, that read TQM graduate. As a TQM evaluator it used up about 1/3 of my useful working day and 99.6% of the suggestions for improvement were nonsense.

34 posted on 11/02/2002 2:16:26 AM PST by SSN558
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To: VaBthang4
"ISO is European if I am not mistaken"

You are not mistaken, but more specifically it is German. Many of the ISO specifications are plagarized word for word from German DIN specs. The two standards are largely interchangble as far as content is concerned. Psssssss...don't tell this to an ISO consultant he may pretend to be offended.

35 posted on 11/02/2002 2:21:43 AM PST by SSN558
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
He was around when PPB was new and hot.
36 posted on 11/02/2002 2:27:21 AM PST by 185JHP
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To: VaBthang4

So the USA has been running at Four or Five Frigma all these years . . . and now we want to switch to Six Sigma to fix the problem(s). But hasn't that been the level that the terrorists have been successfully working at???

Hence, I figure we should be striving for Seven Squigma. . . or better yet, "Let's Roll" with Eight Enigma !!! Period. End of argument !!!


37 posted on 11/02/2002 3:46:55 AM PST by GeekDejure
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To: VaBthang4
It is legitimately one of the driving factors behind GE's worldwide success.

Sounds like a technocrat's wet dream to me.

We have our own process improvement system at my company - it's called "three strikes and you gotta go work at GE" - works great!

38 posted on 11/02/2002 4:26:11 AM PST by The Duke
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To: The Duke
"And before Six Sigma there was TQM, and before that.... "

The first buzzword of this nature that I recall was "Zero Defects" back in the 70s. You are correct. All of these faddish management approaches seem to last a few years and then fade into obscurity. In the end the defining characteristics of any organization are leadership and training. If you have strong leaders and good trainers you can whip any problem that exists or arises.

39 posted on 11/02/2002 4:39:14 AM PST by Movemout
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To: VaBthang4
I do business with a GE division. In the last month, I have had 3 incorrect invoices (documents that bill me MORE than the scale ticket indicates), two shipments rejected by my receiving plant because simple warehouse and trucking procedures weren't followed (seals on trucks, trucks clean, seal numbers on bills of lading) damaged shipments. We also had various product quality issues with these shipments. And these represent 100% of the business I did with GE in October. And this division is teaching our company the joys of 6 sigma. Oh, did I mention that this division recently had a manpower reduction? Obviously the six sigma culture isn't transferred on to the remaining employees who get bumped into new or extra duties or training is lacking. Funny, but in our training, they just told us that six sigma is so strong that even in downsizing the culture is so strong that people take the approach with them as they begin to tackle new assignments. Yeah.....sure!

That's not to say that there isn't merit to 6 sigma. But the GE approach is as much about error reduction and improvement as it is in selling 6 sigma as a product offering. But frankly, if my key customer would approve a competitors product offering (and that's in the process) I would be telling GE goodbye.

40 posted on 11/02/2002 5:05:29 AM PST by joesbucks
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