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To: ET(end tyranny)
Interesting. We have James son of Zebedee, whose brother is John. We have James son of Alphaeus, whose brother is Levi (also called Matthew). We have James brother of Joses, Simon & Jude.

Which one of these do you believe is "James the Just"? Or do you believe there is a FOURTH James?

305 posted on 11/01/2002 6:44:14 PM PST by berned
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To: berned
James the Just is the James that is the brother of Jesus.

Now, again, which verse are you citing for the 4 women at the tomb?

306 posted on 11/01/2002 6:56:09 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: berned
Or do you believe there is a FOURTH James?

I for example "believe" that there was a FIFTH and SIXTH James (Jacob) too. It was a very popular name at that time, even if the Bible does not say it.

I remind you that you did not answer my question.

You said - The Bible is the rock solid foundation of everything we believe.

My question was:
Do you believe that the Church is "the pillar and ground of the truth" (1Tm:3:15)?

307 posted on 11/01/2002 6:57:40 PM PST by A. Pole
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To: berned
We have James son of Alphaeus, whose brother is Levi (also called Matthew).

No verse in Scripture calls James, son of Alphaeus, the brother of Matthew/Levi. In fact, only Mark 2 calls Levi/Matthew the "son of Alphaeus." (Alphaeus, incidentally, was a common name; Halpai in Aramaic. It's entirely possible that James and Matthew were the sons of two different men who happened to have the same name.) Both Matthew and Mark list Matthew close to James in their lists of the Twelve; don't you think they'd mention if they were brothers?

There were two James's. Only two. James the Greater, brother of John, and James the Lesser, also known as James the Just. That's why they have those names, "Greater and Lesser". You would not go around talking about "berned the greater" and "berned the lesser" and "berned the other berned" and "berned some fourth berned we haven't told you about yet".

James the Greater was "put to the sword" by Herod around AD 44, as noted in Acts. James the Less/James the Just, bishop of Jerusalem & "brother of the Lord," also author of the Epistle, and "brother" of Joses, Simon the Zealot, and Jude Thaddeus ... he was stoned to death by the Pharisees (one source says he was thrown from the parapet of the temple first). Josephus dates this as happening in AD 62. (That's not what he calls the year, but we can figure it out from the information he gives.)

None of the ancient sources, including the Bible, specifies a third James, or a fourth, or a fifth. Their relics are unknown. Their manner, dates, and places of death are unknown. Nothing is known about them, because they never existed.

321 posted on 11/01/2002 7:53:04 PM PST by Campion
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