Posted on 10/31/2002 9:55:17 AM PST by Maedhros
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PETA wrote to Kappa Sigma headquarters only to be told that “appropriate disciplinary action has been taken to address the situation.” We also wrote to Rolla animal control’s Inge Wilson, who was very helpful but who was stymied because the cruelty-to-animals statute of limitations had already run out on the crime (the video is dated May 2001, AVI format).
We are requesting that Kappa Sigma include language in its policy statement prohibiting the use or abuse of animals in any of its fraternities. The fraternity has not addressed this request.
We are asking the chancellor of the University of Missouri-Rolla to take disciplinary action against the Kappa Sigma frat boys for cruelty to the turtle in addition to making the use or abuse of animals on campus sufficient reason for expulsion.
Please help us succeed in getting these three very reasonable requests implemented by writing polite letters to:
Mitchell B. Wilson, Executive Director
Kappa Sigma International Memorial Headquarters
2443 Ivy Rd.
Charlottesville, VA 22903
Tel.: 434-295-3193, ext. 111
Fax: 434-296-9557
E-Mail: mic@imh.kappasigma.org
Gary Thomas, Chancellor
University of Missouri-Rolla
1870 Miner Cir.
Rolla, MO 65409-0910
Tel.: 573-341-4114
Fax: 573-341-6306
E-Mail: thomas@umr.edu
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The Turtle has been around for hundreds of millions of years, and the poor things do not bother anyone. I happen to like them.
Quite a bit better than I do Animal House Pledges.
Damn Frat Rats. Spoiling it for everybody! Now they'll want to take my box turtle away! NOT UNTIL THEY PULL IT AWAY FROM MY COLD DEAD FINGERS!
Hopefully this won't get pulled like the thread about the female minority kitty being molested (actually, I think it just had rocks thrown at it) by the 11 yr old, five 10 year olds and the VERY FORTUNATE 8 year old (who is too young to face "FELONY" charges in Texas...)
Okay, okay maybe Flounder but how the hell could he know the horse had a bum ticker.
WHY? Because PETA claims they were "torturing a box turtle by strapping explosives to his back and lighting them repeatedly."????
ANYWAY, HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY WEREN'T EXPELLED? PETA was told that “appropriate disciplinary action has been taken to address the situation.” YET PETA CONTINUES TO WHINE BECAUSE, Lord forbid, THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS HAS RUN! Clearly PETA want's the perps to "suffer" as much as the turtle..
Look, I'm not for animal cruelty, especially by frat rats, whether it's to a poor defenseless turtle of the freshmen walking down the sidewalk. But not having seen the video (my computer won't let me, two questions. IS THE TURTLE DEAD? It didn't say so in the article. Was the shell ruptured by EXPLOSIVES??? (What? C-4? read firecracker) Was the turtle harmed? I mean, besides the trauma from this hazing, which probably made the turtle drop out of school, and because it had no future, resorted to joining a local gang and pushing drugs to all the cute little turtles at the pet store.
They were college kids, acting like kids, and hopefully weren't dating your daughter. Flame away, I guess, but there's enough bad things happening to people that should be getting our attention, than becoming worshipers of PETA PROPAGANDA! Unless, of course, you want a PETA POLICE established to make sure NOTHING happens to anything remotely associated to an animal, including having an animal mascot on the college campus.
Pookie & Me
No, not because PETA said anything, because I watch the video of them doing it.
But not having seen the video (my computer won't let me, two questions. IS THE TURTLE DEAD? It didn't say so in the article. Was the shell ruptured by EXPLOSIVES???
I HAVE seen the video, and these kids did indeed do this, secondly did the shell crack? I don't know, are you suggesting just because the animal lived it was any less cruel?
I advocate their expulsion because their behavior was reprehensible, PERIOD. I don't know when or why you or anyone else would think that a school should not hold their students to a standard of behavior. They are students of that institution, as such there actions reflect on that institution, and on all institutions they are part of. I am sorry that you subscribe to the libertine ideaology that people should never be held to any sort of standard or moral. If I were the dean, they would be gone, if not permanently expelled at least for a year, that sort of behavior has no place in society at all, and should not be tolerated or written off as "normal behavior".
They were college kids, acting like kids
These are not kids, these cretens are supposed to be adults, and should be expected to behave as such. Your off cuff write off of "boys will be boys" is insane and part of the damned problem. No one expects them to behave properly, so they won't. These weren't 12 year olds, these were 18- young 20s acting like children. They should be called to the carpet for it. I am sorry I don't subscribe to the nonsense, that they are just kids.
That stupid notion that "they are just kids" is nonsense. That excuse never flew to my parents, hey dad sorry I trashed your car because I was drag racing in the rain.. but you know kids will be kids... BOLOGNA! There are standards of decency and behavior that are acceptable, and when someone engages in actions that are not acceptable, you don't just go "kids will be kids". You hold them accountable.
My 5 year old spits in the face of another child at school... they weren't fighting and he is not mad with the kid, but he's 5 and 5 year olds do do stupid things for whatever reason... does that mean I just write it off as "kids being kids"? Hell no, he is punished, he is lectured, he is made to apologize to the child, his teacher, his principal, the parent of the child and to reflect on whether that is the sort of behavior he sees his parents or anyone else he knows do? He is told how disappointed his parents are by such behavior and forced to think long and hard about whether that behaviour is what he would want done to him, or would Jesus have done? Don't feed me your mush mouthed BS about boys being boys.
Bunch of college frat brothers sitting around drinking beer while firing fireworks off of a turtles back is not just "boys being boys". It is miscreants engaging in miscreant behavior and they should be called to account for it. They have disgraced their fraternity, their school, their parents and any other group or organization they belong to.
I don't give a DAMN about PETA, I do give a damn about socially acceptable behavior and civil society. These "boys" are an affront to both for this behavior and if I were dean, you better believe all those involved would either be expelled or at least suspended for a year. They are allowed to attend that school, the school doesn't have to let them in (unless its a COmmunity College) and as such there actions directly reflect on it, and I would be damned if I would let such behavior go as just "boys being boys". Your actions reflect on those around you.. and these gentlemens actions reflect very poorly on the school and their parents.
Wrong!
Frats are the most conservative organizations around in any college. When I was in college we voted to a man for Ronald Reagan. Get your facts straight.
Absolutely. Part of the "Sociopath's Triad:" Bedwetting, Fire Starting and Animal Cruelty.
When I returned from Vietnam I had a whole new perspective on life and respect for living thing. I feel that you can judge a society by how it treats small animals and the helpless.
If this is representative, we are in trouble.
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